17 call outs in one day

[Gotrope]

This comment is for you Charlie Brown.....you dont care, or have sympathy about carriers getting ep, then maybe you should care about po mgmt never doing their jobs right, and all the people theyve fired, stole from, and yes, even got killed because they didnt fix, or provide what's needed to do the job.... what a dingbat... Jaymac....this comment right here is my favorite of the day. GOOD JOB BUDDY, I couldnt have said it better than that...

This is illogical. You want to point a finger at mgmt failing to do their job for safety enforcement,yet...you blame mgmt for enforcing the safety rules.

You can have empathy for idiots. You don't condone the behavior.

 

[FXDL2003]

This is my perspective. Yes, they were stupid to not wear their seatbelts and deserved discipline. But Emergency Placement is a bit harsh unless this was an ongoing issue that had been addressed before, which none of us know. And to pull 6 carriers off routes heading into a holiday weekend where we have Monday off is extremely short sighted by Management, again unless this had been addressed previously. Management chose to intentionally shorthand the entire office rather than issue warnings and do Investigative Interviews. They screwed the rest of their people over a power trip. Plain and simple. Would you fire your snow removal guy right before a storm bcuz he cut a safety corner but still did the job effectively or wait until after the storm? Common sense needs to prevail.

 

[Rt2mailman]

2. Safety Belts

You must wear safety belts at all times the
vehicle is in motion. When driving a long life
vehicle (LLV), you must wear the lap belt and
shoulder belt whenever the vehicle is in motion.
Exception: When shoulder belts prevent you
from reaching to deliver or collect from curbside
mailboxes, you may unfasten the shoulder belt,
but never the lap belt.

Please explain this grievance from 2015 away.

Mr. Joey Johnson
Director of Labor Relations
National Rural Letter Carriers'
Association
1630 Duke Street
Alexandria, VA 22314-3467
Re: E06R-4E-009288606
Class Action
Marysville, WA 98271-9998
Dear Joey:
On March 10, 2015, the parties discussed the above-captioned grievance at the fourth
step of our contractual grievance procedure.
The issue in this grievance concerns whether a rural carrier is required to wear the
shoulder belt between curbside mailboxes when completing mail delivery from a righthand drive (RHD) vehicle.
After reviewing this matter, we mutually agree that no national interpretive issue is fairly
presented in this case. Handbook P0-603, section 171.51b(1) states in part, "Carriers
driving RHD vehicles equipped with both shoulder and lap belts may disengage the
shoulder belt only in those situations when the shoulder belt prevents their ability to
deliver or collect mail from curbside mailboxes. The lap belt must be worn at all times
the vehicle is being operated."
The parties agree rural carriers are not expected to continually unfasten and fasten the
shoulder belt when traveling between mailboxes in situations when the shoulder belt
prevents their ability to deliver or collect mail. In these situations, the safety conditions
listed below should be considered before making a determination to leave the shoulder
belt disengaged:
• Distance between stops
• Traffic density and weather conditions
• Road design characteristics, such as number of intersections traversed, road
shoulder width, and surface conditions
• Other factors affecting safety such as the speed limit
It is important to stress, under no circumstances are rural carriers to operate an RHD
vehicle without the lap belt securely fastened.
475 L'ENFAnn PLAZA SW
WASHINGTON DC 20260-4101
WVVVV.USPS.COM
Please sign and return the enclosed copy of this letter as your acknowledgment to settle
this case and remand to the parties at Step 2 for further processing as necessary.
Time limits were extended by mutual consent.
Reggie W. Rabon
Labor Relations Specialist
Contract Administration (NRLCA)

National Rural Letter Carriers'
Association
Date: _3_- _10_-_2-_o _15 ___

 

[Shannonboy]

This is illogical. You want to point a finger at mgmt failing to do their job for safety enforcement,yet...you blame mgmt for enforcing the safety rules.

You can have empathy for idiots. You don't condone the behavior.

So many po mgmt members disobey the rules all the time, and almost never get blowback, or put on EP.....I just find it fair play to break a few rules, or little rules here, and there. We ALL as carriers know when po rules need to be followed, or should with our years of experience, (even my own Postmasters bends, and breaks the rules) and when they can be bent a little, or even a lot. Po mgmt just needs to get the crap outa the way, and let us save this company. They should crawl back in their holes, and shut the Heck up....and if you are telling me Gotrope that you followed every little rule your whole time while employed at the po....I would probably suspect that you might be lying. Which is somewhat hypocritical in my opinion, which is also illogical....

 

[neciat]

Please explain this grievance from 2015 away.

Mr. Joey Johnson
Director of Labor Relations
National Rural Letter Carriers'
Association
1630 Duke Street
Alexandria, VA 22314-3467
Re: E06R-4E-009288606
Class Action
Marysville, WA 98271-9998
Dear Joey:
On March 10, 2015, the parties discussed the above-captioned grievance at the fourth
step of our contractual grievance procedure.
The issue in this grievance concerns whether a rural carrier is required to wear the
shoulder belt between curbside mailboxes when completing mail delivery from a righthand drive (RHD) vehicle.
After reviewing this matter, we mutually agree that no national interpretive issue is fairly
presented in this case. Handbook P0-603, section 171.51b(1) states in part, "Carriers
driving RHD vehicles equipped with both shoulder and lap belts may disengage the
shoulder belt only in those situations when the shoulder belt prevents their ability to
deliver or collect mail from curbside mailboxes. The lap belt must be worn at all times
the vehicle is being operated."
The parties agree rural carriers are not expected to continually unfasten and fasten the
shoulder belt when traveling between mailboxes in situations when the shoulder belt
prevents their ability to deliver or collect mail. In these situations, the safety conditions
listed below should be considered before making a determination to leave the shoulder
belt disengaged:
• Distance between stops
• Traffic density and weather conditions
• Road design characteristics, such as number of intersections traversed, road
shoulder width, and surface conditions
• Other factors affecting safety such as the speed limit
It is important to stress, under no circumstances are rural carriers to operate an RHD
vehicle without the lap belt securely fastened.
475 L'ENFAnn PLAZA SW
WASHINGTON DC 20260-4101
WVVVV.USPS.COM
Please sign and return the enclosed copy of this letter as your acknowledgment to settle
this case and remand to the parties at Step 2 for further processing as necessary.
Time limits were extended by mutual consent.
Reggie W. Rabon
Labor Relations Specialist
Contract Administration (NRLCA)

National Rural Letter Carriers'
Association
Date: _3_- _10_-_2-_o _15 ___

Oh, I have that one. I know the shoulder belt doesn't have to be worn curb box to curb box. That grievance pretty much states what's already in The 603. I, too, have seen management "think" a carrier(s) wasn't wearing their seat belt ( LLV ) because they did not see that bright orange shoulder belt but upon approaching the carrier(s) , the lap belt was fastened and secured. Hence, the carrier(s) WERE indeed wearing their seat belt.

 

[neciat]

I have this from a driver training book.

 

[Deer Smearer]

How many of you have seen a carrier crushed under a postal vehicle or half through a windshield after going off the road and hitting a tree?

Not pictures during a stand up. At the scene.

The week after the seatbelt challenge one carrier was killed in an ejection and another badly injured going off the road. Neither was wearing a seatbelt.

See it in person and you might have a better understanding.

 

[Gotrope]

How many of you have seen a carrier crushed under a postal vehicle or half through a windshield after going off the road and hitting a tree?

Not pictures during a stand up. At the scene.

The week after the seatbelt challenge one carrier was killed in an ejection and another badly injured going off the road. Neither was wearing a seatbelt.

See it in person and you might have a better understanding.

Seriously. Thishere. I've picked up so many bodies made by stupid decisions before they went into a body bag. I've investigated dozens of carrier deaths with union. Most are carrier at fault( running stops, rollovers, impaled on impact with single vehicle accidents). One of the nastiest was a carrier that was sorting mail in an llv, lost control, over corrected and drove through a 6 foot chain link fence. Where upon the top rail separated, bent towards vehicle... impaling carrier through the sternum, the right lung and the superior vena cava. A warehouse camera caught it. Security at the warehouse called 911 immediately but, the carrier bled out in under a minute. And no seat belt...I guess they were in a hurry or saving time. Again, totally preventable. I have no idea why anyone would risk their life so stupidly. You don't exactly get the best equipment for the job. At least use your seatbelt and brain.

It's hardly retaliation against your mgmt if your family are the only ones to suffer your decision. Mgmt will forget about your impact on USPS operations within 3 days. Hopefully, your family remembers you longer than that.

Is it fair that mgmt gets to bend more rules? No. But, life isn't fair. Adults know this.

 

[btdtret]

All -- RE: "17 call outs in one day"

-- Too many unknowns! What were the carriers driving? LLV-? Impossible to see if the carrier is wear the seat belt - unless the door is open. Or the member of manglement is standing next to the vehicle. Metris-? Already documented problems with the seat belt system. POV-? Basically the same as an LLV. Where were the observations made from? Pictures of the violations?

-- If the "17" wanted to make a real statement, calling in on Tuesday, the 26th, would certainly have a greater impact!

-- One more reference to cite regarding seat belts: The ELM's Section 844 - Seatbelt Use Incentive.

- 844.1 -- Policy: The amount of $10,000 will be paid to the estate of any postal employee who, while in a pay-duty status, sustains fatal injuries as the result of a job-related motor vehicle accident, PROVIDED he or she is wearing the lap belt and shoulder belt when required and is not in violation of the traffic laws and postal policy at the time of the accident.

-- Probably best to look real hard into your state's traffic laws regarding the use of seat / shoulder belts.

 

[damifiknow]

there is no way in gods creation to do all of the things the usps has us do , in the time alloted to do it, stop the vechicle, shut it off, that is when getting out should start counting, curb yur wheels, seat belt off, find the package, walk it to the door , return to vehicle , start it, belt on ect its not humanly possible . its a scam so what do they attack us. not defended not wearing the seatbelt because there is always accidents on this site. but why go after us , its what they do attack the carrier , as if we are the problem, they are management and the usps. good for them call off tommorrow as well everyone who can read this.

 

[oi veh.]

there is no way in gods creation to do all of the things the usps has us do , in the time alloted to do it, stop the vechicle, shut it off, that is when getting out should start counting, curb yur wheels, seat belt off, find the package, walk it to the door , return to vehicle , start it, belt on ect its not humanly possible.

the rural craft had the chance to actually get time for what we do.

a lot of carriers in study offices couldn't be bothered. just wanted to keep on running.

(there are those who actually did what they were supposed to do, but a lot did not.)

follow all the regs and if you go over 2080, you get paid.

 

[stillfirstclass]

there are those who actually did what they were supposed to do, but a lot did not

, ya think they found a reason to throw those times out?, the ones that were old,slow,lazy,milkingit,....