4241 question
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FrozenToes
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FrozenToes
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For Office Walking see file.
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Our whole office is filing as we only received half of our office walk credit and not Round trip. It was pretty much cut directly in half from the previous MMS.
damifiknow
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i keep telling you all , if they can they will , the usps is scamming all of you . pay attention and hit them back hard.
EthelAnne
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Only recording walk distance one way is an incredibly common error by our idiot supervisors/PMs. Good on you for checking your numbers and disputing!
EthelAnne
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I waited to see if one of the smarter people on this forum would respond to your question before I did. I suspect you haven't gotten a response because people didn't want to d/l those images. I did look at them, and I'm afraid my answer is going to be a little harsh, but here goes:
That office walk distance data collection form is a mess. In my district, if that were presented as a document in support of your dispute on this issue, it would not be considered. It's impossible to tell what's going on, which numbers are accurate, and, frankly, the labor reps and union reps are not going to waste their time playing detective. They're just going to decide that insufficient documentation was provided to support your claim.
(Also, I'm not sure if you whited out your name/signature and the manager's name/signature for privacy reasons or if the form is not signed at all. If it's not signed at all, that would be another problem.)
How can you salvage this? If the 809 figure is correct, and management is not contending that the actually footage is 637, you're golden. Have the manager/supervisor fill out on the dispute form saying that the 809 number is correct and 637 was entered in error. The dispute panel should approve the claim on the manager's statement alone.
If you want some advice for the future, here goes: make sure you perform the office walk measurements along with the manager/supervisor, as required by procedure. Confirm the distance before your manager writes it on the form. Feel free to fill out your own form along with them. At the end of the process, if you don't agree with their measurements, don't sign their form. Take your copy of management's form (they're required to provide you with a copy) and attached it to your own copy and save it for your dispute. If management has not signed their form, ask them to do so. If they refuse, note on the copy you received "Management Refused to Sign on 2/12/26 (or whatever date)" in that signature space.
Other than that, STOP SCRIBBLING ON FORMS/DOCUMENTS. You may need them at a later date for a dispute or, in the case of any other issue, a grievance. Understand a third party is going to be looking at this stuff to make a decision. They're not going to call you up and ask you to explain what they're looking at.
FrozenToes
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Did you ask management to show you their inputs in the program ? Maybe they entered a number wrong. There are multiple combinations. The difference is 172 feet. Could be missing 7 & 8. ( 86 feet each)
Could be 3 & 12 . ( 100 & 72 feet)
damifiknow
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things they are doing this round are, your walking dismount distance, and your inside walking distance , anything they can you have to pay attention to everything , they are scam artists, and play dirty pool. i keep telling you read the contract , figure what best helps you, and hammer them back , i know an rca who took a route fromm 2hours to 4 it can be done .
damifiknow
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went up another 20 minutes and im going higher for mny last 3 years , for the right price i will come and train you?
Surf
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Those figures are mine. Management doesnt even verify them, they trust us. Thats a copy of the original, and the scribbling is mine (i was playing around with some things and didnt bother making another copy for the post). Yes, I covered the names for privacy reasons, obv. I also confirmed, on Fri, the #s that were entered by PM into the computer. I'll double check them again tmrw to make sure I didn't misread them.
Surf
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Just to clarify for everyone: I do know what I'm doing, I know how to maximize the #'s. I DID double check the #'s my PM put it in the program, and they are correct. My simple question is: Why, if we're using the same #'s we've been using since MMS #1.....and they ARE accurate.....did my walking distance go down this count?
jsthere723
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Do not let it slide . It is big . Make them pay
YOUAREthecurrentresident
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Are you saying that the 200 some odd ft discrepancy is the reason you dropped? Isn’t like 100ft to equal 1 min? So if your footage was off by 200ft, that’s like 2 mins. Maybe check your other #s?
FrozenToes
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Theory. Multiple carriers have said their Office Walking time has gone down.
USPS discovered that the 4241m was giving double credit from two categories to Office Walking.
USPS has now corrected the error.
1.-Routes were getting double credit for retrieving DPS ( #3 on walking distance worksheet).
The credit was under Office Walking and Office Walking ( DPSL). With the correction, the credit is only under Office Walking (DPSL) . ( DPSL= Delivery Point Sequence Letters)
2.- Credit for walking distance to service talks ( #12 on walking distance worksheet)
With the correction, the time to walk is added to Service talk time only. Far right column on 4241m.
Notice your 12-month average is 2.21. Then your "daily minutes" is 2.43.
So for you #3 = 100
#12= 72
That's your 172 foot difference.
I can tell you know what you are doing by past posts...AND for the fact that you caught this mistake...many many carriers would not and STILL pay no attention to the numbers whatsoever...more than ever we must watch everything with this new RRECS system...and to answer your question-just as many other RRECS questions...I honestly think NO ONE really knows the full aspect and complete full answers.
damifiknow
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they did it to me also the walking distance in the office, and hardships i fought the hardships and won, but in the long run they will lose for my small office walking distance change, play fair usps i know your watching!!
Surf
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Not saying that at all. Am just wondering why that figured changed in the eval, when the distance is the same.
