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ADR suggested grieving for Amazon after last count

Travelingmailman

Travelingmailman

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Article 9.2.C.14
It was mentioned 2 of these have been filed at step 2....to be continued...
The way I see things, this is a huge class action grievance. Does a grievance like this need to be started with our pm or at the district level?
ADR didn't seem to jump at getting anything started. Did say to start counting Amazon daily for documentation on the grievance. The machine has all of this info why not get the numbers from the big shots? Made whole, retroactively?
This is a huge dragon to slay!
I'll ask here first, FYI everything stumped at our local meeting I already knew because of all of you.
Amazing!
 
Our ADR at the time came to our office within a month or so of us getting Amazons. He basically said there's nothing that could be done about it. So nobody here bothered to grieve anything. We all thought he was coming to our office to tell us how to go about filing the grievances etc etc. All he said was "Yeah, it sucks doesn't it?" By the USPS' rigged count I was delivering a 49K, and being paid for a 44K. That means they stole, and there is no other word that fits what happened, $20K dollars from me. In reality, I was delivering a route well beyond a 49K...probably more like a 54K.
 
Not sure what your ADR told you, but you quoted a provision in the contract which I have always heard quoted as the reason why we CANNOT grieve Amazon for additional pay. Delivering parcels to an address is a traditional service function, isn't it? As opposed to say, SPM scans, which were nothing we had ever done before.

9.2.C. 14. Recurring Work Duties

When daily recurring work duties other than traditional service functions are added to or removed from a route after the latest route evaluation, the Employer shall promptly determine time requirements for such added or removed duties and authorize any appropriate adjustment of evaluated compensation.
 
My understanding is "our" office never had an agreement to receive pallets of Amazon before last mail count so it is not a traditional service...

14. Recurring Work Duties
When daily recurring work duties other than traditional
service functions are added to or removed from a route
after the latest route evaluation, the Employer shall
promptly determine time requirements for such added
or removed duties and authorize any appropriate
adjustment of evaluated compensation.
Everyone in office is efected, class action?
 
Travelingmailman et al -- To show how things are stacked against the carriers, look no further that MOU #1 of the contract.

"It is the understanding of the parties that a national mail count MAY [ or may not ] be initiated where rural delivery has been impacted on a national level. Examples of such change would be a reduction in delivery days, a substantial change in mail volume, etc."

-- That has been a part of the contract since at least the 1995-1999 USPS-NRLCA national agreement.

-- Apparently since then, there has not been a national wide impact on rural delivery -- even with the avalanche of Amazon and other's parcels.

-- The MOU does not even indicate whom may initiate a national mail count, should the conditions warrant.
 
OutHereSomewhere said:
Our ADR at the time came to our office within a month or so of us getting Amazons. He basically said there's nothing that could be done about it. So nobody here bothered to grieve anything. We all thought he was coming to our office to tell us how to go about filing the grievances etc etc. All he said was "Yeah, it sucks doesn't it?" By the USPS' rigged count I was delivering a 49K, and being paid for a 44K. That means they stole, and there is no other word that fits what happened, $20K dollars from me. In reality, I was delivering a route well beyond a 49K...probably more like a 54K.
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I'm seeing this too, couple people are going to have 2080 issues really soon. Something has been rotten in Denmark!
EthelAnne said:
Not sure what your ADR told you, but you quoted a provision in the contract which I have always heard quoted as the reason why we CANNOT grieve Amazon for additional pay. Delivering parcels to an address is a traditional service function, isn't it? As opposed to say, SPM scans, which were nothing we had ever done before.

9.2.C. 14. Recurring Work Duties

When daily recurring work duties other than traditional service functions are added to or removed from a route after the latest route evaluation, the Employer shall promptly determine time requirements for such added or removed duties and authorize any appropriate adjustment of evaluated compensation.
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I pretty sure we can griev anything, and if we all did imagine the piles of grievances going up the hill
 
Grieve the pallets disappearing during mail count. There has to be data showing volumes dropping during mail count!
 
Mwellis, we never had Amazon drops before, until after this last count. How many offices had the same experience? This is actually old news. It happened also in our district when they "skipped" the count . Now those offices finally counted them last year.
Just saying if each office suffering the post count Amazon drop did a class action....2 peeps per office....
 
5 years of this crap for free.. 90 scans a day during our one mail count in the last 5 years... went up 5.5 hours. Count ends back to 140-170 a day range... We grieved it and was told "we don't keep track of those numbers and the mail volume isn't lighter during counts"
NO END IN SIGHT...and get ready for a sh#t contract where they don't fix any issues with the pay and we go from having few subs to absolutely zero.
 
btdtret said:
Travelingmailman et al -- To show how things are stacked against the carriers, look no further that MOU #1 of the contract.

"It is the understanding of the parties that a national mail count MAY [ or may not ] be initiated where rural delivery has been impacted on a national level. Examples of such change would be a reduction in delivery days, a substantial change in mail volume, etc."

-- That has been a part of the contract since at least the 1995-1999 USPS-NRLCA national agreement.

-- Apparently since then, there has not been a national wide impact on rural delivery -- even with the avalanche of Amazon and other's parcels.

-- The MOU does not even indicate whom may initiate a national mail count, should the conditions warrant.
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Here's how you...they actually...get by with it. Roll out the Amazons one district, or several districts, at a time. That what there is no "national" impact all at once. Overtime there is, but you can twist the meaning of the MOU to mean the change has to be nationwide at the same time.
 
Travelingmailman said:
I'm seeing this too, couple people are going to have 2080 issues really soon. Something has been rotten in Denmark!

I pretty sure we can griev anything, and if we all did imagine the piles of grievances going up the hill
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I've caught crap over on the Facebook group for pointing out what I said about the DR. But, if we had filed on it, it would've gone to step 2 or higher. That would've required the DR to be involved...meaning it would've been up to the guy who had already told us not to waste our/his time. So why bother doing it? If we had, he would've just tanked on us anyway.
 
This is exactly why the mail count should be done only by a certain crew with union supervision. This is all they do. They come in unplanned, unannounced where they do a certain area at a time, not a nationwide, where management can plan and scheme. Anything changes afterwards cancels last mail count and another one has to be planned while all employees affected get a $50 per day penalty award until mail count is certified.
 
OutHereSomewhere said:
I've caught crap over on the Facebook group for pointing out what I said about the DR. But, if we had filed on it, it would've gone to step 2 or higher. That would've required the DR to be involved...meaning it would've been up to the guy who had already told us not to waste our/his time. So why bother doing it? If we had, he would've just tanked on us anyway.
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We will never know, nobody smiled and forced the ADR to file
 
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