ADR suggested grieving for Amazon after last count

[Travelingmailman]

And I thought Zelda was a time drain lol. Thank you!

 

[Haychica]

Travelingmailman et al -- To show how things are stacked against the carriers, look no further that MOU #1 of the contract.

"It is the understanding of the parties that a national mail count MAY [ or may not ] be initiated where rural delivery has been impacted on a national level. Examples of such change would be a reduction in delivery days, a substantial change in mail volume, etc."

-- That has been a part of the contract since at least the 1995-1999 USPS-NRLCA national agreement.

-- Apparently since then, there has not been a national wide impact on rural delivery -- even with the avalanche of Amazon and other's parcels.

-- The MOU does not even indicate whom may initiate a national mail count, should the conditions warrant.

Our legal counsel, imo, needs to be fired .Mike Gan?..I think....smh...tired of ALL this language stacked against us...don't we pay him to look out for our BETTER interests..??

 

[EthelAnne]

My understanding is "our" office never had an agreement to receive pallets of Amazon before last mail count so it is not a traditional service...

14. Recurring Work Duties
When daily recurring work duties other than traditional
service functions are added to or removed from a route
after the latest route evaluation, the Employer shall
promptly determine time requirements for such added
or removed duties and authorize any appropriate
adjustment of evaluated compensation.
Everyone in office is efected, class action?

Ok, so a new company starts up tomorrow called "EthelAnne's Super Duper Wonderful Products" and your office starts receiving their packages for delivery next week. Are you arguing that because you never received any EthelAnne packages during the last count you don't have to deliver them now without additional compensation?

On the other side of that, let's say "EthelAnne's Super Duper Wonderful Products" goes out of business, after you've been delivering their packages for years and years on your route. Are you arguing that the USPS can now reduce your compensation because you're no longer delivering those packages? Because the way you're interpreting this provision, that's what that means. ( ". . . other then traditional service functions are ADDED or REMOVED . . .")

Delivering packages is a traditional service, whether they come from Amazon or EthelAnne.

The way we have been compensated for delivering all parcels, not just Amazon, absolutely sucks. Amazon gets the brunt of our attention because of the massive amounts of packages we've been delivering for them. The various small retailers that go in and out of business each year-we never even notice them. We notice Amazon because it's so huge and it seems different because of its size.

 

[EthelAnne]

Our legal counsel, imo, needs to be fired .Mike Gan?..I think....smh...tired of ALL this language stacked against us...don't we pay him to look out for our BETTER interests..??

The problem is not the language in the contract, the problem is the evaluated system. If we were getting paid hourly, who cares what we're delivering?

 

[EthelAnne]

I'm seeing this too, couple people are going to have 2080 issues really soon. Something has been rotten in Denmark!

I pretty sure we can griev anything, and if we all did imagine the piles of grievances going up the hill

Yes, of course you can grieve anything. I should have said "win a grievance."

 

[Shafted]

My mantra for the last 20 years has been hourly or bust. I’ve taken a lot of heat for it, ( clearly don’t care about that ), and still the rural craft schleps along believing that the eval system will right get itself. Not going to happen folks. You are now going to have your pay determined by a snanner that will be manipulated by lost data, fraudulent reports, and excuses up the ying yang from mgt. Its going to come down to a sluggin match to get scanner data properly reflected in your pay. I firmly believe that black and white will never be black and white to the usps. If you load 15 large packages into your vehicle, and deliver them, and the scanner says 12 it will be a fight to get paid for 15. Even if you had pictures of you physically delivering all 15 of them, and show proof, I suspect it will still be a battle. The standard course of direction for the USPS has been to further rob the rural craft when their finances are tight. It’s their standard go-to. That’s not a business model that any employer can be respected for, and for that reason, (in addition to my physical health with a pair of torn shoulders I recently decided to hang it up after 27 years).

 

[Travelingmailman]

My mantra for the last 20 years has been hourly or bust. I’ve taken a lot of heat for it, ( clearly don’t care about that ), and still the rural craft schleps along believing that the eval system will right get itself. Not going to happen folks. You are now going to have your pay determined by a snanner that will be manipulated by lost data, fraudulent reports, and excuses up the ying yang from mgt. Its going to come down to a sluggin match to get scanner data properly reflected in your pay. I firmly believe that black and white will never be black and white to the usps. If you load 15 large packages into your vehicle, and deliver them, and the scanner says 12 it will be a fight to get paid for 15. Even if you had pictures of you physically delivering all 15 of them, and show proof, I suspect it will still be a battle. The standard course of direction for the USPS has been to further rob the rural craft when their finances are tight. It’s their standard go-to. That’s not a business model that any employer can be respected for, and for that reason, (in addition to my physical health with a pair of torn shoulders I recently decided to hang it up after 27 years).

Cheers, you have been a lot of help around these parts!

 

[Shafted]

Thank you. I’ve always felt that if you have info to share, or advice to offer, that you should. If I’ve been able to share anything someone finds useful, or can enable others to stand up for themselves, and be empowered it’s a plus. There is not a harder working, more dedicated employee in the USPS, than a rural carrier.

 

[Miss Blue]

This is exactly why the mail count should be done only by a certain crew with union supervision. This is all they do. They come in unplanned, unannounced where they do a certain area at a time, not a nationwide, where management can plan and scheme. Anything changes afterwards cancels last mail count and another one has to be planned while all employees affected get a $50 per day penalty award until mail count is certified.