Am I wrong?

Chwpakabra · Mar 4, 2018

returned to office after completing the route on Saturday , during the route I did receive a message on the scanner that said that “a particular” gas station was open, but did not say “get gas”. I had just filled up on Friday. I was ordered to retrieve a gas card and fill the at least half tank llv. I said yes and told the pm and supervisor who were together giving the order that I would like additional compensation for the fuel up. Both said no since I was under evaluation ( I told them this was wrong and that I would grieve it) pm then said there is a SOP in our “Sunday hub” office that requires us to fill up on Saturday regardless of the 100 mile fill up rule. Besides being paid for these fill ups now, is there a chance I can get the 24 minutes it took me as column 17 time?

Deer Smearer · Mar 5, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Chwpakabra said 
returned to office after completing the route on Saturday , during the route I did receive a message on the scanner that said that “a particular” gas station was open, but did not say “get gas”. I had just filled up on Friday. I was ordered to retrieve a gas card and fill the at least half tank llv. I said yes and told the pm and supervisor who were together giving the order that I would like additional compensation for the fuel up. Both said no since I was under evaluation ( I told them this was wrong and that I would grieve it) pm then said there is a SOP in our “Sunday hub” office that requires us to fill up on Saturday regardless of the 100 mile fill up rule. Besides being paid for these fill ups now, is there a chance I can get the 24 minutes it took me as column 17 time? </blockquote>
First of all scanner texts are not for rural carriers in less an emergency so grieve that, cease and desist.

As for being required to fuel, yes you are entitled to extra compensation. if they borrow the LLV, it's their responsibility to return it full. Its not your responsibility to keep it full.

File a grievance. Don't back down.

dumbolehickfromms · Mar 5, 2018

There is a step 4 decision on refueling other than the 100 mile calculator.

http://www.nrlca.org/Documents/WebContent/b2d11996-c0fd-4675-ad32-83a9a3443842-E-71.pdf

Chwpakabra · Mar 5, 2018

I just dont undersatnd, and apparently never will how they can possibly do what they do....

I already had my "initial discussion" with a Supervisor regarding the PM ordering me not to case DPS. During this meeting we discussed the issue and the 603 where it basically says i can if i want if im always under eval. then showed him no lless than 4 printouts where the right to case DPS has been affirmed. He still said no, and to proceed with the written grievance.

Today had my "initial discussion regarding the fueling of vehicle, showed him the gamble letter and 1 other where it says the 100 mile thing is how we get paid and all other use of my truck or extra fill ups should cost hime money, he asked me if i was under eval that day, told him it didnt matter if i arrived at 8am and delivered my whole route by 10am, any work he wants me to perform would cost him money starting at 10. He then said DENIED proceed to written grievance.
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stillfirstclass · Mar 5, 2018

what organization has this many bullies? where are they finding them?

Howah44 · Mar 5, 2018

A classic response when mgt intentiionally vioulates the contact, file a grievance.

What happens when mgt gets flooded with grievances, a promotion or they get sent elsewhere, SAD.

OutHereSomewhere · Mar 5, 2018

Something occurred to me as I read through this thread. If there is a step 4 grievance, don't those go before an arbitrator? If so, those arbitrators are the equivalent of a federal judge.

Deer Smearer · Mar 5, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Chwpakabra said 
I just dont undersatnd, and apparently never will how they can possibly do what they do....

I already had my "initial discussion" with a Supervisor regarding the PM ordering me not to case DPS. During this meeting we discussed the issue and the 603 where it basically says i can if i want if im always under eval. then showed him no lless than 4 printouts where the right to case DPS has been affirmed. He still said no, and to proceed with the written grievance.

Today had my "initial discussion regarding the fueling of vehicle, showed him the gamble letter and 1 other where it says the 100 mile thing is how we get paid and all other use of my truck or extra fill ups should cost hime money, he asked me if i was under eval that day, told him it didnt matter if i arrived at 8am and delivered my whole route by 10am, any work he wants me to perform would cost him money starting at 10. He then said DENIED proceed to written grievance.
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File another grievance for failure to follow settlements

Use<a href="http://mseries.nalc.org/M01517.pdf"> this</a> for ammo

Maybe ask for $1000 compensation for willful actions.

Chwpakabra · Mar 7, 2018

I Like this, just printed it out.!

Morty · Mar 7, 2018

This is bullying and creating a hostile work environment. 1 week after you win your grievances, grieve the bullying aspect and report the hostile work environment. I would request the POOM get involved and ask why this behavior is allowed. Also request the district EAP expert come to the office and do an excercise on bullying in the workplace. Also sign up for sessions with EAP. After this, plausible deniability is out the door. Your PM makes one bad move and they can be terminated. Play the game.

Rt2mailman · Mar 7, 2018

Chwbakabra, you have several grievances possible from the episode you described.

First if your route was being counted, the extra time for the fill up should be added into your count time under column 17, if not grieve it.

Second, no time paid to do the extra and unneeded fill up,grieve it.

Third, refusal by management to settle at the lowest level, grieve it.

Fourth, texting you on the scanner when no emergency existed, grieve it.

Fifth, if no other carrier was required to fill their vehicle when it was half full, grieve that management was treating you differently, "disparate treatment" .

Sixth, by the above occurrences management was providing you with a hostile work environment, grieve it, and ask upper management for an "intervention" ,where other managers or postal inspectors sit in an hear problems from every one in the office.

This should give management in your office something to do for awhile, and a lot of "explaining" to their managers. You could be kind and ask them to reconsider their original blunder, first, but six grievances typed out and spread across their desk usually helps their decision .

Chwpakabra · Mar 7, 2018

After I was sent out to fill my tank, a second message went out “instructing “ everyone to fill their tanks due to the hub operation and emergency nature of the storm we were having,

not an excuse but our supervisors are not allowed to make a decision without the pm’s approval or knowledge, they are afraid of her somehow.

We received a edd this week, addressed, so as we all know depending on size it’s either a letter or flat. At my case, 2 pm’s from surrounding towns (who are counters) measured and they were about an 1/8 to a 1/4 larger than the max letter size, so they rightly declared them as a flat on the count sheets. One of our supervisors who was counting different people did the same measurement and said he’d have to check with the pm.refus d to make a decision

side note to that same flyer.... it showed up in 1 (one) routes dps the day before, happened to be our local steward too, they told him too bad it’s a letter originally, and only after we all got them the next day did he get it resolved.

gotstamps · Mar 7, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">Chwpakabra said 
After I was sent out to fill my tank, a second message went out “instructing “ everyone to fill their tanks due to the hub operation and emergency nature of the storm we were having,

not an excuse but our supervisors are not allowed to make a decision without the pm’s approval or knowledge, they are afraid of her somehow.

We received a edd this week, addressed, so as we all know depending on size it’s either a letter or flat. At my case, 2 pm’s from surrounding towns (who are counters) measured and they were about an 1/8 to a 1/4 larger than the max letter size, so they rightly declared them as a flat on the count sheets. One of our supervisors who was counting different people did the same measurement and said he’d have to check with the pm.refus d to make a decision

side note to that same flyer.... it showed up in 1 (one) routes dps the day before, happened to be our local steward too, they told him too bad it’s a letter originally, and only after we all got them the next day did he get it resolved. </blockquote>
FYI: EDDM (not edd) are non-addressed Boxholders. A full-coverage mailer can be either a letter or a flat and it's not unusual for "flats" to be run in the DPS although they're taller than they should be. When this happens during count, measure the piece to verify "flat" size qualified AND count them to list under "flats" category. The amount also does NOT get deducted from the DPS #.

Chwpakabra · Mar 7, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">gotstamps said 

FYI: EDDM (not edd) are non-addressed Boxholders. A full-coverage mailer can be either a letter or a flat and it's not unusual for "flats" to be run in the DPS although they're taller than they should be. When this happens during count, measure the piece to verify "flat" size qualified AND count them to list under "flats" category. The amount also does NOT get deducted from the DPS #. </blockquote>
Ya , true, i just didnt know what to call it for the purposes of my story. Throughout the year whenever we get something for "every box" we generally just call it an EDD, and the redplum flyers we call marriage mail. we do know the difference during the count though. the way it was eventually counted is exactly like you described for the one route who had it in their dps.

ALL pill bottles here are counted as parcels, and besides measuring, if it doesnt fit in our 1 inch slots its a parcel not a flat, as a general rule, our out of office counters have been EXCELLENT to deal with, no arguing, and very generous, only the in house counting supervisors and PM have been hardo. our in house city guys have been awesome too.