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Columns 21, 22 & 23

dhoward541

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Am I understanding this correctly?  If a customer were to leave a priority package for me; I would get a carrier pickup in 21; then I would get 1 in Column 22 for the # of items and then if it was over 2 #'s, I would get a credit in Column 23----all three.  
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>dhoward541 said </strong>
Am I understanding this correctly?  If a customer were to leave a priority package for me; I would get a carrier pickup in 21; then I would get 1 in Column 22 for the # of items and then if it was over 2 #'s, I would get a credit in Column 23----all three.    </blockquote>
No. A customer must either leave a note requesting you pick up a pkg at the door or put in an online request for a pickup. That counts as Col. 21.

Then if you have a pkg pickup request, the Priority qualifies for Col. 22 regardless of weight. Without a pickup request or note, it must be over 2 lbs & would qualify for Col. 22.

The only way a pkg qualifies under Col. 23 is if money/check is left for postage & the carrier must weigh & affix the postage. As you said it's over 2 lbs, then we aren't allowed to accept it without it meter or click-n-ship postage since pkgs over 13 oz without postage must go over the clerks counter. 
 
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<strong>gotstamps said </strong>

No. A customer must either leave a note requesting you pick up a pkg at the door or put in an online request for a pickup. That counts as Col. 21.

Then if you have a pkg pickup request, the Priority qualifies for Col. 22 regardless of weight. Without a pickup request or note, it must be over 2 lbs & would qualify for Col. 22.

The only way a pkg qualifies under Col. 23 is if money/check is left for postage & the carrier must weigh & affix the postage. As you said it's over 2 lbs, then we aren't allowed to accept it without it meter or click-n-ship postage since pkgs over 13 oz without postage must go over the clerks counter.   

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That's good info, but I know peeps who are getting multiple Col. 23 credits daily... wish it were me, but it's not...  <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />

Btw, Col. 23 is the BIG time allowance, so that's where you want them, if you can get them there...  <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" />
 
Under Column 23 it says Note:  parcels in excess of 2 pounds for which postage has been prepaid are now entered in column 22 for the number of parcels and column 21 for each pickup event. 
 
The fellow I know that gets the Col. 23 credit brings in $$$ money with the parcels... so I guess that's his hook... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Lady Carrier said </strong>

<strong>gotstamps - </strong>I think you meant ...over 2 lbs & would qualify for <strong>Col. 21.</strong>

Col 21 actually has 3 ways to get credit. Package Pickup request from MyPO from PM in the office before leaving, note or other understanding to pickup packages from a customer, and a prepaid parcel over 2lbs left in/at the mailbox or at dismount location.

When you get Col 21 credit you should also have col 22 item(s) and prepaid acceptance scan(s) in Col 15.  </blockquote>
Thanks for the correction. Looking back I did see that in the list. I can never that lucky. All the pkgs I pickup from mailboxes are under 1 pound ?
 
The weight limit for Col 23 is 70lbs not 13ozs provided the said parcel does not have stamps pre-applied, the return address on the item matches the address at the point of pickup, the customer/business is known to reside or do business at that location, and the customer has provided funds for the transaction.

As current as the OCT 2016 Facilitators Guide for the Rural Carrier Academy, we as rural carriers are allowed to collect parcels up to 70lbs without postage affixed but with money presented because we act as a post office on wheels.

Please let me know where it is stated that Col 23 is limited to 13ozs because according to the Aviation Security Course #25501-03, Rural Carriers can collect parcels weighing up to 70lbs under the provisions stated above.

I will let my Human Resources Specialist know that they need to update their Orientation Course and my Facilitators Guide to reflect the change.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>02bravo said </strong>
The weight limit for Col 23 is 70lbs not 13ozs provided the said parcel does not have stamps pre-applied, the return address on the item matches the address at the point of pickup, the customer/business is known to reside or do business at that location, and the customer has provided funds for the transaction.

As current as the OCT 2016 Facilitators Guide for the Rural Carrier Academy, we as rural carriers are allowed to collect parcels up to 70lbs without postage affixed but with money presented because we act as a post office on wheels.

Please let me know where it is stated that Col 23 is limited to 13ozs because according to the Aviation Security Course #25501-03, Rural Carriers can collect parcels weighing up to 70lbs under the provisions stated above.

I will let my Human Resources Specialist know that they need to update their Orientation Course and my Facilitators Guide to reflect the change.  </blockquote>
I didn't say the column was limited in weight. It is the carrier's that are NOT supposed to be collecting pkgs over 13 oz without click-n-ship postage or metered postage. We were trained on this when I was hired 13 yrs ago and many more videos have been shown to us showing the same even if you know the customer well. It has been pounded into our brains that we are not to accept these pkg when they are obviously over 13 oz. I've also returned to sender many pkgs that only had stamps (no cancellations) that were over the 13 oz rule. It has to do with security concerns as to what is in the pkg and being able to track it back to the originating customer. 
 
Again, this is incorrect.  We are allowed to collect mail weighing over 13ozs under certain circumstances.  There are different rules for city carriers and rural carriers. Management may very well have shown only the parts that pertain to the city carriers on the videos that you were shown. Please watch the course that I referenced previously. I was hired more than 13 years ago and have also seen the videos.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>02bravo said </strong>
Again, this is incorrect.  We are allowed to collect mail weighing over 13ozs under certain circumstances.  There are different rules for city carriers and rural carriers. Management may very well have shown only the parts that pertain to the city carriers on the videos that you were shown. Please watch the course that I referenced previously. I was hired more than 13 years ago and have also seen the videos.  </blockquote>
Well, with so many I have had to return to sender because the pkg didn't go over the counter & the instructions we were given in RCA training class, I'll stick with my training. It's not even an issue really here as most people on my route were never taught that mail Carriers even carry stamps. There's a "Postal" place on a corner nearby to make it easy plus Living in the big city will do that. It's usually the really old folks that might think about it & then they throw a bunch of stamps on it & put it in a Dropbox <span id="autocomplete"><span id="autocomplete-delimiter">@</span><span id="autocomplete-searchtext"><span class="dummy"> the post office</span></span></span>. I do carry a small kitchen scale in my "arsenal" in case there is a letter or flat that seems weighty.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>gotstamps said </strong>

No. A customer must either leave a note requesting you pick up a pkg at the door or put in an online request for a pickup. That counts as Col. 21.

Then if you have a pkg pickup request, the Priority qualifies for Col. 22 regardless of weight. Without a pickup request or note, it must be over 2 lbs & would qualify for Col. 22.

The only way a pkg qualifies under Col. 23 is if money/check is left for postage & the carrier must weigh & affix the postage. As you said it's over 2 lbs, then we aren't allowed to accept it without it meter or click-n-ship postage since pkgs over 13 oz without postage must go over the clerks counter.   </blockquote>
You are only partially correct on column 22 and wrong on column 23.

A parcel pick up event can be entered in column 21 and the corresponding parcel or parcels entered in column 22 even if no sheet is printed or online request is generated. A customer can put a click and ship package in, on or around the box without paper work for pick up and you still get credit in 21 and 22 columns. What would you do but pick up that package . leave it there, of course not. Also you can have a daily pick up built in without a form. If you arrive at your daily pick up location and there are no parcels for pick up you still get a 1 in column 21 for attempting the pre-arranged built in pick up request.

Column 23:

You are confusing the airline security requirements that state any package over 13 ounces "BEARING STAMPS" should only be accepted over the counter

Column 23 parcels are given to the carrier without postage affixed and some form of payment for postage.

The column 23 does not have to be 2lbs., all though this is always a point of contention, the wording says something to the effect "is clearly a parcel" this is to avoid what another poster alluded to, trying to get credit for putting a first class stamp on an envelope and maybe getting credit in column 23. The interpretation would be any item that qualifies as a parcel if you were delivering it would be a column 23 pick up if cash was sent along with it for postage.

The language further states the carrier must weigh and affix postage "IF" the USPS makes the equipment available to the carrier, IE scales, rate chart or log in to the POS (POZ) register system. If they don't provide access you still get credit, if they provide access, yes you need to weigh and apply postage verifying it's dimensions and weight are within the guidelines up to 70 lbs and is it 181 inches.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>hunchback said </strong>

You are only partially correct on column 22 and wrong on column 23.

A parcel pick up event can be entered in column 21 and the corresponding parcel or parcels entered in column 22 even if no sheet is printed or online request is generated. A customer can put a click and ship package in, on or around the box without paper work for pick up and you still get credit in 21 and 22 columns. What would you do but pick up that package . leave it there, of course not. Also you can have a daily pick up built in without a form. If you arrive at your daily pick up location and there are no parcels for pick up you still get a 1 in column 21 for attempting the pre-arranged built in pick up request.

Column 23:

You are confusing the airline security requirements that state any package over 13 ounces "BEARING STAMPS" should only be accepted over the counter

Column 23 parcels are given to the carrier without postage affixed and some form of payment for postage.

The column 23 does not have to be 2lbs., all though this is always a point of contention, the wording says something to the effect "is clearly a parcel" this is to avoid what another poster alluded to, trying to get credit for putting a first class stamp on an envelope and maybe getting credit in column 23. The interpretation would be any item that qualifies as a parcel if you were delivering it would be a column 23 pick up if cash was sent along with it for postage.

The language further states the carrier must weigh and affix postage "IF" the USPS makes the equipment available to the carrier, IE scales, rate chart or log in to the POS (POZ) register system. If they don't provide access you still get credit, if they provide access, yes you need to weigh and apply postage verifying it's dimensions and weight are within the guidelines up to 70 lbs and is it 181 inches.  </blockquote>
I did correct myself above for a parcel pickup after being reminded in post #3. If someone leaves a priority at a mailbox that weighs less than 2 lbs without a pickup request, that pkg is recorded as a letter/flat (Col. 20). Without a pickup request, note in the mailbox, or at a pickup location then the pkg must be over 2 lbs to qualify for Col 21. 

As to Col 23, as it is a rare thing here for a pkg to be needing picked up with just stamps or cash at all (posting 11) that doesn't FLY at some point & we don't know what pkgs will need that service so We have been instructed not to pick up over 13 oz for years.

There is, as I said previously, a postal mailing place on a nearby corner for mailing out parcels here anyway so many just go there if they don't Click-n-Ship. I've picked up at one for many years & have always gotten a Col 21 credit for this location but had forgotten to include it in my original answer. 
 
stamps, management is wrong to pound that info into y'all.

Mine tried, I showed her that she was wrong and that is just one more reason to hate me.

A lot of us don't have suburban routes.  We have true, high mileage, out in the boonies, gravel dirt road pothole routes with people who don't want to , or can't, drive the 20 - 30 miles into the PO. A lot of these people are elderly. 

As long as the package in question DOES NOT have postage of <em>any</em> type attached to it, we can accept it; provided it fits all criteria outlined by hunchback and 02bravo.


:)
 
If there is no pickup sheet the only way you can get column 21 credit is if there is a parcel over 2 lbs.  There could be 20 parcels in the box under 2 lbs, and it would only count as letters and flats collected.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>shyflyrebelguy said </strong>
If there is no pickup sheet the only way you can get column 21 credit is if there is a parcel over 2 lbs.  There could be 20 parcels in the box under 2 lbs, and it would only count as letters and flats collected.  </blockquote>
Are you leaving your line of travel for the 20 small parcels?

If they don't want to give you a parcel pick up event run a stop watch from the time you leave the line of travel until you return to the line of travel where you left off, then push for column 17 other suitable allowance.

They should give you a column 21 then because I'm sure you will be taking more than 90 seconds to leave the line of travel, curb wheels, get out, lock up,  go in to the business or residence, return to vehicle, walk around vehicle before backing, unlock, return to line of travel.

The only way your scenario works are if the 20 small parcels are at the box, but even still iuf you have 20 scans for the 20 small parcels you should still get an event.

Isn't that right ? Anyone?
 
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