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credit for parcel pickups

This is from the Q&A , it doesn't have the time standards, but its one of the better attempts to explain the procedure!

211. Please clarify use of the CARRIERPU entry. There is a lot of confusion in the field.

A. As in all previous mail counts, there are two events that qualify for the credit provided using the CARRIERPU (Hot Key ‘O") entry; (1) Carrier Pickup notification and (2) acceptance of pre-paid parcel over 2 lbs. not associated with carrier pickup. If both events are performed at the same address, CARRIERPU is used only once. Carriers are not required to go to the customer’s door to collect mail for any reason other than a carrier pickup request, which should include at least one qualifying piece (Priority Mail Express, Priority Mail, First-Class Package Service, Priority Mail Express International, Global Express Guaranteed, Priority Mail International, Returns (USPS Return Service: First Class Package Return Service, Priority Mail Return Service and Ground Returns; Parcel Return Service; and Merchandise Return Service), Parcel Select Ground, USPS Retail Ground, and other packages.) The CARRIERPU entry will be made even if the official pickup request results in no qualifying pieces being collected. The MDD is being updated to accept "0" as the number of pieces accepted.

In those instances when management directs the rural carrier to accept/collect these items, or the customer leaves a note in the mailbox requesting such service, or where there is an understanding between management and the carrier that a specific customer has a standing order to have items collected each day or on specific days, the route will be credited by using the CARRIERPU entry. Each event will be recorded using the CARRIERPU entry. The number of pieces collected is then counted and entered. Count and enter each mail piece that qualifies in accordance with the list above and any Prepaid Parcels over 2 lbs. Other mail pieces accepted/collected at this time, such as obvious letter and flat-size mail, including small parcels, should not be included in this count.

The carrier will then scan the first 5 qualifying mail pieces collected. If a Customer Manifest (Form 5630) is presented, the carrier should scan that form using the Pre-Paid Acceptance Scan in the on-street menu. The MDD is also being updated to allow for a CARRIERPU entry even when no parcels accepted have barcodes.

If the carrier is instructed to scan more than 5 parcels accepted as part of a Carrier Pick Up, the Pre-Paid Acceptance scan should also be used for all parcels beyond the first 5.

When mail pieces with a barcode are collected on the route out of a mailbox or collection box, the Pre-Paid Acceptance scan should be used.

Ref: Letter of Mutual Understanding 2-24-14; and Publication 399, February 2019, p30

The following examples are intended to assist with the understanding:

Example 1: If management approaches the carrier in the morning and instructs the carrier that John Doe at 123 Main Street who has a curbside box, has items that need to be picked up at the door. The carrier gets to 123 Main Street and collects 20 priority flats, 10 priority boxes, 7 first class small parcels that weigh 2 lbs. or less and 2 parcels that weigh more than 2 lbs., the carrier will use the CARRIERPU entry at the address and would enter the parcel quantity as 39 and scan the first 5 items collected. If directed, the carrier would scan the remaining parcels using the Pre-Paid Acceptance Scan. This example would also apply to a note left in the box from a customer and any standing orders that have been discussed between the carrier and the manager.

Example 2: If the carrier arrives at a box where no carrier pickup request was made and there is mail in the box to be collected and the following items are in the box: 6 priority flats, 4 small priority boxes less than 2 lbs., and 1 prepaid parcel that weighs more than 2 lbs., the carrier will use the CARRIERPU entry and enter one (1) in the number of parcels. The remaining pieces collected would be scanned using the Pre-Paid Acceptance Scan. This example would also apply to individual pieces collected at a business that the carrier is authorized an official dismount.

It is improper for a customer to request through Carrier Pickup, call the Manager to request a pickup, or leave a note in the box to pick up items at specific location, when they do not have any qualifying pieces (Priority Mail Express, Priority Mail, First-Class Package Service, Priority Mail Express International, Global Express Guaranteed, Priority Mail International, Returns (USPS Return Service: First Class Package Return Service, Priority Mail Return Service and Ground Returns; Parcel Return Service; and Merchandise Return Service), Parcel Select Ground, USPS Retail Ground, and other packages.) If this occurs the carrier should discuss this with their immediate Supervisor who should in return discuss with the customer. This service is only provided when there are qualifying pieces.

There will only be one CARRIEREPU entry per address.

A sack of pre-paid parcels collected is entered using the CARRIERPU entry and the number of parcels collected as one (1). If the carrier is required to scan items contained in the sack at the delivery point, the carrier would use the Pre-Paid Acceptance Scan. If the carrier is required to empty the sack upon return to the post office, additional credit is provided as actual time in End of Shift Duties.

If a carrier accepts a pre-paid parcel, Merchandise Return Service (MRS) or a Parcel Return Service (PRS) over 2 lbs. at the mailbox or at the delivery point (such as a business where a dismount and distance is provided) the carrier will use the CARRIERPU entry, enter the number of parcels collected, and scan the first 5 items collected.
 
Yes. I absolutely do. I debated on just giving my PM a list of my usual continual "pick up requests" that NEVER do a sheet in the morning, BUT I don't care enough about it until they make it an issue. I honestly think management doesn't care until there is a naughty list they don't want to be on.
I also know my PM knows she can trust me to do the right thing.
I think what @Voglio-il mio posted upthread has us covered.
 
Honestly the Q&A's attempt to "clarify" only adds to the confusion.

The 2 examples they list at the end contradicts the very answer they give above it.

When you have a CARRIERPU event, you are expected to enter the total number of "qualifying pieces".
First Class packages are qualifying pieces. First Class packages are always < 1lb.

But in the examples, they exclude pieces from the count based on weight. This contradicts their answer above and the NRLCA Comprehensive Guide.
 
I think what @Voglio-il mio posted upthread has us covered.
Who ever answered the question in Voglio-il-mio is wrong. The person’s answer is based on the “old” evaluation system.

Under the comprehensive guide, on page 79,

“Regardless of whether there is a manifest issued, carriers are credited with each item picked up as part of a carrier pick up event and each prepaid item over 2 pounds in the same manner.”

We are to each item the same regardless of weight under RRECS.
 
If a carrier accepts a pre-paid parcel, Merchandise Return Service (MRS) or a Parcel Return Service (PRS) over 2 lbs. at the mailbox or at the delivery point (such as a business where a dismount and distance is provided) the carrier will use the CARRIERPU entry, enter the number of parcels collected, and scan the first 5 items collected.

I don't carry a scale so, to me, everything is CARRIERPU. 🥇📬✅
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As Monty Python might say if it walks like a Duck, it must be a Duck! By that I mean most have the weight right on the label, but if it doesn't and it feels like two pound then it must be two pounds. Let someone else disqualify them as not being two pounds make the attempt to get credit!
I agree......if it "feels" like 2 lbs, then it gets scanned as CPU by me. This is a ridiculous way to decide whether it is a CPU or not.
 
I have a business that ships out priority parcels and some first class parcels. Do we automatically get parcel pickup credit for every priority parcel that is picked up
regardless of weight? I know that with first class parcels that are picked up, we only get parcel pickup credit if its
over 2 lbs., otherwise we get credit under "prepaid acceptance"
I scan all under prepaid acceptance. Then I go to carrier pickup and do 5 scans , 5 scans , til it adds up to my prepaid acceptance . I'm sorry , but this is what I'm picking up .That's my job . Picking and choosing what's a parcel , what isn't, 2 lbs or not . I scan it all every time . No one in management tells me not to do it
 
I scan all under prepaid acceptance. Then I go to carrier pickup and do 5 scans , 5 scans , til it adds up to my prepaid acceptance . I'm sorry , but this is what I'm picking up .That's my job . Picking and choosing what's a parcel , what isn't, 2 lbs or not . I scan it all every time . No one in management tells me not to do it
I do the same.

Under RRECS, everything with a barcode is a parcel. If it's a parcel when delivered, it's a parcel when picked up. They don't change phase in transit.
 
Have we ever been given any rationale to only scanning 5 parcels when doing the CARRIERPU option?
Years ago when Parcel Pickup started, mgmt refused to pay us extra. It was soon agreed between Union & PO that we would be paid per pickup request but would only be required to scan 5 pkgs. Pickups were added as credit in the following Mail Count. The 5 parcel requirement stuck & we were only credited more if mgmt required it.
The 5430 has had those instructions on the bottom from that agreement from years back & was never changed so we still aren’t required unless local mgmt requires.
 
Years ago when Parcel Pickup started, mgmt refused to pay us extra. It was soon agreed between Union & PO that we would be paid per pickup request but would only be required to scan 5 pkgs. Pickups were added as credit in the following Mail Count. The 5 parcel requirement stuck & we were only credited more if mgmt required it.
The 5430 has had those instructions on the bottom from that agreement from years back & was never changed so we still aren’t required unless local mgmt requires.
I remember all of that hoopla, too !!! The PO was so concerned with a carrier gong up a minute or two that they , as usual, totally misinterpreted the Publication 399. Well, after a few days of everyone only scanning 5 packages , the phones were ringing off the hook because all of the shippers, Ebayers, recipients, etc. could NOT track much of anything. That 5 scan thing really hurt some Ebayers initially. Also, the insurance doesn't start until the item(s) is / are scanned as asccepted. That 5 scan thing did not last long. " Only required to scan 5 items" IS CLEARLY NOT the same as SCAN ONLY 5 ITEMS. The PO took a some heat for that one from the general public . Anyway, there was a clarification sent out to offices regarding the Pub. 399 but what was really needed was to , as usual, CORRECT management. The language in the PickUp Services Guide DID NOT need to be clarified.

 
Question. So I have a house that puts in a Carrier pickup request everyday, however the pickup request is never accurate. (I think they always have the form requesting me to pickup 7 packages) when I get to the house it may be 3 it maybe 20.

What should I do then? Do customers have any duty to have accurate pickup request?
 
Question. So I have a house that puts in a Carrier pickup request everyday, however the pickup request is never accurate. (I think they always have the form requesting me to pickup 7 packages) when I get to the house it may be 3 it maybe 20.

What should I do then? Do customers have any duty to have accurate pickup request?
If it's a standing pickup request, the number on the sheet is mainly irrelevant. Most sellers/home shippers will get orders during the day and may prepare them before you get there.

Ignore the number on the sheet. It doesn't affect your time credit. Do your (O) CARRIERPU, enter the actual number of packages, and scan up to 5. Scan the pickup request sheet yes.
 
Question. So I have a house that puts in a Carrier pickup request everyday, however the pickup request is never accurate. (I think they always have the form requesting me to pickup 7 packages) when I get to the house it may be 3 it maybe 20.

What should I do then? Do customers have any duty to have accurate pickup request?
Well, if it is the actual 5630 scan form , that ain't right. The upper left hand corner tells the shipper / mailer that the barcode numbers and the number of items picked up must match what is picked up. This 5630 scan form is also left with the. mailer and NT brought back to the PO. If the request is just the standard on line carrier pick up request , the number of items picked up do not matter as long as there is at least one qualifying piece
 

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So “engineered”?

It is weird that city carriers get paid to do their job, but we can’t because “engineers said so”.
Nothing to do with “engineers” on this one. It’s what was agreed upon a long time ago & never changed.
If you look at the bottom of a Pickup Request (5630), there are separate rules for each Craft. Been like that forever… or so it feels like.
 
If it's a standing pickup request, the number on the sheet is mainly irrelevant. Most sellers/home shippers will get orders during the day and may prepare them before you get there.

Ignore the number on the sheet. It doesn't affect your time credit. Do your (O) CARRIERPU, enter the actual number of packages, and scan up to 5. Scan the pickup request sheet yes.
I agree with what you are saying but there is an issue with how you are answering the question. I believe it says "Is this pick up complete". So in this case if you only pick up 3 of 7 it is not complete!
 
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