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from ELM 434.411 <a name="ep1037006"></a>To receive holiday leave pay, employees must be in a pay status either the last scheduled hour before or the first scheduled hour after the holiday or designated holiday.

 

what is the definition of pay status?

 

monday federal holiday

most RCAs work the last scheduled hour before(saturday) and usually the first scheduled hour after (the TuesdayTrashTheRCAday){{{just saying}}}

 

thanks in advance................
 
I think it applies to regulars only, we can't take lwop both days and still get holiday pay, we must work or be on annual or sick leave
 
thank you...

 

is there a black and white definition of "pay status" somewhere?

 

but still wondering..... k day is saturday considered Regs day off...

so my working the last  or first hour  doesn't fall into equation if reg works Friday before? or the Tuesday after? but if I work Friday before and Tuesday following and reg on lwop....I still don't qualify for the holiday pay?   seems there is no exclusion in paragraph for an rca doing the first and last hour.....so can I grieve not getting the holiday pay since I worked within the parameters?

If so....alot of RCAS are have been ripped off
 
Unfortunately, RCAs don't receive holiday pay at all.

Even if primary subbing on a vacant route, when the regular is out over 90 days or when assigned to an auxie route.
 
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<strong>wolfound said </strong>
thank you...

 

is there a black and white definition of "pay status" somewhere?

 

but still wondering..... k day is saturday considered Regs day off...

so my working the last  or first hour  doesn't fall into equation if reg works Friday before? or the Tuesday after? but if I work Friday before and Tuesday following and reg on lwop....I still don't qualify for the holiday pay?   seems there is no exclusion in paragraph for an rca doing the first and last hour.....so can I grieve not getting the holiday pay since I worked within the parameters?

<strong>If so....alot of RCAS are have been ripped off  </strong>

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<strong>We, as RCA's, do not get holiday pay. So you are not going to find it in black & white. Holiday pay is for regular carriers.</strong>
 
wolfound -- "alot of RCAS are have been ripped off"

-- That has been happening for decades -- over any number of issues.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>btdtret said </strong>
wolfound -- "alot of RCAS are have been ripped off"

-- That has been happening for decades -- over any number of issues.  </blockquote>
<strong>Yep! Day by day, month by month, year by year and decade by decade. You know what? It's not going to get any better.</strong>
 
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<h3 class="H3 head3">514 Leave Without Pay</h3>
<h4 class="H4 head4">514.1 Essential Features</h4>
<p class="P">The following definitions apply for the purposes of <span class="zxref"><a href="https://about.usps.com/manuals/elm/html/elmc5_004.htm#ep444666">514</a></span>:

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<li class="OL1alphaRestart">LWOP is an authorized absence from duty in a nonpay status.</li>
<li class="OL1alpha">LWOP may be granted upon the employee’s request and covers only those hours that the employee would normally work or for which the employee would normally be paid. FLSA–exempt employees must take LWOP in 1–day increments except when they are taking leave protected under the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA).</li>
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So.....i am RCA....saturday regulars relief day...he takes LWOP day after holiday.....i get the holiday pay because according to USPS definition...he is in nonpay status on last hour b4 and first hour after....??????
 
wolfhound -- "is there a black and white definition of “pay status” somewhere?"

--  Probably the closest thing is from Section 372.23 of the F-21 ( Time and Attendance handbook ):  To be eligible for holiday leave pay, the employee must be in a <strong>pay status</strong> ( <strong>either work hours or paid leave</strong> ) for the last hour of his scheduled workday prior to, or the first hour of employee's scheduled workday after the holiday or designated holiday.

--  IMHO, not that anyone asked, but I think this tends to apply more to clerks and city carriers who can take annual leave in hourly increments.  Rural carriers have to take the entire day off for leave or LWOP, aside from PTF's, AUX carriers, and RCA's filling a vacant route after 90 days.
 
Thats my point..B....according to definition(from PO)  LWOP is considered nonpay status ...so is his K relief day (Saturdays) Technically....he is not eligible for the holiday pay....but i am since i am last hour before and first hour after. Its a loophole of wording...but i am going for it and all the back pay that he got  by taking lwop every Tuesday after monday holiday. . he put himself in nonpaying status. Hes the stewpot..so i am jumping over him to someone higher. I am tired of being his pack mule...i will fight it as far and high as i need to because it is right there in black and white. And for every other RCA that carries the load on their primary route when LWOP is involved
 
wolfhound -- Better take it down a notch or two.   While local manglement may not be on to what you think the stew is getting away with [ LWOP on Tuesday's after a Monday holiday ], but pretty sure the folks at Eagan would have caught it.

--  Going back to the F21:   To be eligible for holiday leave pay, the employee must be in a <strong>pay status</strong> ( <strong>either work hours or paid leave</strong> ) for the last hour of his scheduled workday prior to the holiday.

--  His last scheduled workday prior to the holiday was Friday, which he worked.  That seems to fulfill the requirement.

--  LWOP on the day following the holiday does not matter.

--  IMHO -- Look before you leap.
 
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Lady Carrier said </strong>

It is already figured into your pay.

From the contract:

Article 11

Section 3. Part-time Flexible Rural Carriers, Substitute, and Auxiliary Carriers
A. The holiday pay for a part-time flexible rural carrier or substitute
rural carrier is included in the daily rate.  </blockquote>
And this is the reason why new carriers see a drop in their hourly wage when they convert to regular. You lose so many cents per hour (I don't know what it is exactly, and don't feel like looking it up right now) but you get paid for holidays.
 
I was an RCA for a pretty long time... probably longer than many of the RCAs who may be reading this post now... <img title="Surprised" alt="Surprised" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-surprised.gif" />

And, during that almost 12 years that I was an RCA, I had a long time to think about things... and what I thought then, was that after I made Regular, that many or most of my worries and troubles would be over... hail, I thought I'd have 'er made, in the shade...  <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" />

Now that I've been a Regular for a while, I've figured out that I still have just as many headaches as when I was an RCA, maybe more... <img title="Cry" alt="Cry" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif" />

So, my advice for any RCA's out there who may want to hear it... is, don't get your hopes up that you're gonna have it made, when, and if, you ever make Regular... maybe that'll help keep you from being disappointed somewhere down the road... <img title="Confused" alt="Confused" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-confused.gif" />

Jmho...  <img title="Smile" alt="Smile" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" />
 
The first incident I can recall of tossing RCA'S under the bus is when they agreed to no buy back time for RCA'S after a certain date. From there the abuse began to being available on demand despite other work you might have to keep your head above water to the present form of a new pay table for RCA'S who still have to pay the amount of dues compared to those of us under the higher pay table. This process will continue to all new hired RCA'S because you will toss those under you to maintain your status. So LWOP along with other issues now discussed will fall by the wayside. 

A relative of mine supported a wife, home and 2 children off his USPS income back in the mid 50' to 70's on his income alone. Try doing this now with the USPS. I can't and I'm single on the higher pay table trying to live the American Dream.  I have a second part time job at night for the past 10 years as a REG stashing this income for a better retirement or memorable vacations for the child. 

At some point within the next 30yrs with the present trend of contract awards, I foresee most routes within the USPS in true Rural areas will be a bid route like HC'S.  Fend for yourself and hopefully find approved coverage for the days you want off, but you will pay out of your pocket for this time off. 
 
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