Does an aux have to be vacant to be converted?

[Cliff Clavin]

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<strong>dumbolehickfromms said </strong>
no cliff.     If you are on one Aux and the other aux is the one converted, you will be a 79 at the day of awarding the new assignments.  Straight from 79 to a 71 doesn't break the leave earning status.     Just as going from a 79 or 74 to PTF rural, des 76,  would stay in leave earning status.  

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<span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>It was your post, #2 and especially #5, which threw me off. </strong></span>

If the aux route that I am on now and <span style="text-decoration: underline">another new route is formed</span>, <span style="text-decoration: underline">2 routes</span>, after bidding if I am awarded <span style="text-decoration: underline">either</span> of the two routes I would assume that I would be going directly from a 79 to a 71. 

 

[asher78]

Just updating on this...

 

Despite what I was originally told, my route is still an aux, not yet converted. When I found that out, I was mad as heck since that’s the only reason I worked the day that I’d put in for over a month before that. I ended up taking a day later that week off, but still doesn’t make up for that. Hate feeling manipulated at work, but I expect it now.

 

Supposedly the route will convert to a H and go up for bid this Saturday, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[faceindawind]

Then the IE total implementation kicked in. Would not plan on any major purchases until then. 

Those of us who hate Aux routes will now focus on newly created H for our gains in an effort to make you an AUX if AUX is lost. 

 

[asher78]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Faceindawind said </strong>
Then the IE total implementation kicked in. Would not plan on any major purchases until then. 

Those of us who hate Aux routes will now focus on newly created H for our gains in an effort to make you an AUX if AUX is lost.   </blockquote>
I don’t understand this post at all. If you could dumb it down for me, I’d appreciate it. Mine will become an H and I’ve been told once it does, they cannot convert me lower than a H again.

 

[asher78]

The aux route was supposed to go up for bid yesterday as a H route, but PM says HR hasn’t taken me out of leave earning yet therefor it’s not possible.

Very sick of being jerked around even though I should be used to it after 10 years as “the whipping boy”.

 

[btdtret]

asher78 -- on the plus side, you are still in a leave earning status.

--  If the route in not posted on 29 MAY, you have a grievance.

--  Manglement has 30 days to post a route.

--  Arbitrator Clarke's Award:  in part -- These routes [ AUX ] will be converted within 30 days of the increase to 42:00 standard hours, UNLESS the increase is as a result of a mail count.   In the latter circumstance, the conversion WILL BE EFFECTIVE WITH THE MAIL COUNT.   28 APRIL 2018.   The route should have been become a regular route on 28 APRIL 2018.

--  Really need for the PM to show you his reference that a route has to be vacant to be converted.

--  Maybe a phone call to NRLCA HQ could find someone to clear things up for you and your office.

--  IMHO -- for a route to become vacant, a regular carrier has to retire or bid off the route.   Since there never has been a regular carrier on the route......

--  Good luck.

 

[LouSainus]

You should have been removed from leave earning as soon as it went to 42H as that is above the max possible hours for an AUX. You lose leave earning status while the route is being processed as the route is a regular route and no longer an AUX. If you have any AL it will be paid in one lump sump on the next check. Sick leave stays with you.

You can possibly file for back pay depending on how long they delay the route posting. 30 days to convert 30 days to post 10 days bidding 10 days to award and 21 days to be placed onto the route I think those are all the max time allowed with 10 days for bidding being the only required time.

The route can drop down to as low as 35H and still be a regular route. The other route giving you territory can NOT take or request any of the area they gave up. Even if the next count is terrible for them.

 

[asher78]

It did not convert to 42 hours until May 12th.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

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<strong>LouSainus said </strong>
<strong>You should have been removed from leave earning as soon as it went to 42H as that is above the max possible hours for an AUX.</strong> You lose leave earning status while the route is being processed as the route is a regular route and no longer an AUX. If you have any AL it will be paid in one lump sump on the next check. Sick leave stays with you.

You can possibly file for back pay depending on how long they delay the route posting. 30 days to convert 30 days to post 10 days bidding 10 days to award and 21 days to be placed onto the route I think those are all the max time allowed with 10 days for bidding being the only required time.

The route can drop down to as low as 35H and still be a regular route. The other route giving you territory can NOT take or request any of the area they gave up. Even if the next count is terrible for them.  

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<strong>Why should he be removed from leave earning status if he is still running the same route</strong> and it hasn't went up for bid?

The way I read it is his Aux route is gaining from other routes being cut and squared up. He will still be running the same route whether it is an Aux or is going to be bid out as a regular route and someone is awarded the route. Until then it seems to me that he should remain in leave earning status until someone is awarded the route.

 

[RCA 74]

Cliff I agree with you he would now be covering a vacant route until it goes up for bid.

 

[asher78]

Well they say no. They’ve called the head union steward and he says no. I’ll be honest, I was really counting on that leave to enjoy some time with my kids this Summer so I’m bummed to say the least since now I’ll have to wait 90 days to receive my leave again. :-/ Would be nice to have it roll over with me and not be taken out of leave earning, but it doesn’t sound like that’ll happen no matter which way I come at the subject with them. I’ll either have this route or another regular route once the bidding is done so I’d be able to keep that leave if they could figure it out. 

 

[Cliff Clavin]

See <a href="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/forum/general-discussion/rca-going-regular-question/">Click Here</a> and see post # 2 & #4

 

[asher78]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Cliff Clavin said </strong>
See <a href="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/forum/general-discussion/rca-going-regular-question/">Click Here</a> and see post # 2 & #4  </blockquote>
I printed all that info out for them before, but they’re saying since they have to make that route vacant they have to take me out of leave earning to do so. I’m not sure how to explain my way around that so they’ll do the right thing. Steward says well, they called head of union and he said that’s the way it is so...

 

[dumbolehickfromms]

asher, they will pay you for you accumulated annual leave when they put you back as a 78.  Sick leave will go in abeyance until you go back in leave earning status........... 90 days after becoming regular.   Your sick leave will show back up then ( with the additional time earned during those 90 days), also your "yearly" annual leave will show up prorated based upon the pay period in which you became reg. 

 

[btdtret]

asher78 -- Has manglement provided any sort of documentation requiring a route to be vacant to be put up for bids?

--  And that you will have to be taken out of leave-earning status to do so?

" I’m not sure how to explain my way around that so they’ll do the right thing."

--  Them doing the "right thing" is the last thing on their minds!

--  Trust, but VERIFY.  Like seeing some reference in black and white.  Something besides a possible verbal "white lie".

"Steward says well, they called head of union and he said that’s the way it is so…"

--  What proof does the steward have that "they called the head of the union"?   Was the steward in the room to listen in?

--  Anyone local call the "head of the union" to verify such a call was made?

--  Did the steward ask for documentation?

--  Who was the "head of the union" anyways?  Someone at NRCLA HQ?   ( probably not! )

 

[dumbolehickfromms]

btdret, the documentation is on the personnel action forms,  aka form 50.   It has a place to take RCA out of leave earning status and has a place to mark route converted to regular status and the date of conversion is entered also.    That converts the RCA 79, back to RCA 78...............     

 

[asher78]

They have finally taken me out of leave earning, but route has not yet been put up for bid.Which brings me to another question/issue. When will they start my leave earning date as once they put me in that status again? My husband and I have an anniversary trip every year and if they drag their feet to add me to leave earning until I get a route, it’ll be cutting it very close with waiting 90 days, even if they award me the route by the end of this month.

 

[dumbolehickfromms]

You will be paid for the annual leave you have in your balance now.  Should be included in check this Friday, but may be the payday after this upcoming one.    Just put that money aside and when you take LWOP for your trip, it will be as though you took annual ........... money wise that is.

 

[asher78]

I only had a day of annual in there so it won’t help much. Lol They may not even give me LWOP. They seem to pick and choose.Aside from that, though, does anyone actually know when that 90 days will start over from since I’ve not actually truly taken any break in service. They can give me lots of bs answers, but when I ask questions like that, they don’t seem to have answers.

 

[gotstamps]

Asher, when the route hit 42:00 Standard hours, mgmt has 30 days to convert it to a Regular route so it's no longer an Auxiliary. Since it's no longer an Aux, your no longer an Aux sub so you're moved to Regular RCA until you hit 90 days again on that new Vacant REGULAR route. If you hit 90 days on there, either a carrier Out-on-injury won the bid & hasn't been placed or a mgmt has screwed up & a grievance needs to be filed for them not posting the route within 30 days. If it is posted properly within 30 days of classification change, then add 10 days for posting, 10 days max to award and a possible 21 days for placement which MUST be on a Pay Period start Saturday. Once placed on a route from a Non-Leave Earning Designation, You must wait 90 days to use any leave carried over or accrued during that first 90-days.
Clear as Mud, right?