Evaluation Results

[Beffannie]

I hear you . Frankly , I believe the requirement that RCAs need to stay under 40 hrs to receive evaluation pay should be scrapped. And they should increase RCA pay little bit more and make them hourly (daily )

That 40 hour rule is killing End of Shift times for sure. They hit Return to DU then clock out a few minutes later to stay under their 40 hours.

 

[ATCBigE]

I hear you . Frankly , I believe the requirement that RCAs need to stay under 40 hrs to receive evaluation pay should be scrapped. And they should increase RCA pay little bit more and make them hourly (daily ) . Then probably they will learn . Otherwise, no matter how much training you provide to them they will take short cut

It should be the greater of the 2. Or get you rid of 1 option totally.

Just flat out stupid they won't do like this. But hey our union will promise to implement and fix RRECS later.

 

[jsthere723]

Nope
I've been fighting for hourly for years, before rrecs, ..we just had this conversation (again), today..we allllll would rather be hourly. I especially feel for the truly remote rural carriers who have inconsistent or no cell coverage
Pure bs...all of it

What does nope mean . My question was do you work less hours than your evaluation. If so , you are already getting paid hourly and some . In that case why are you fighting to go hourly?

 

[jsthere723]

It should be the greater of the 2. Or get you rid of 1 option totally.

Just flat out stupid they won't do like this. But hey our union will promise to implement and fix RRECS later.

Initially I was inclining to higher of the two . But problem with that is nothing will change . They will still keep on taking short cut

 

[tonsillitis]

That 40 hour rule is killing End of Shift times for sure. They hit Return to DU then clock out a few minutes later to stay under their 40 hours.

when i was a sub holding down a route bout a year. a lot of times stayed longer on eval time just to get OT and EOS time is like 15-25mins average. load time is longer than normal people will load. i rush if i have stuff to do but 90% of the time dragging the hour. trying to increase the route money incase regular came back.

 

[LouSainus]

Once again a 45K. I've been within 35 mins of my original 45k every eval change. Only once went to 44(by 4 mins) every other has been 45. I lost an hour of STD technically this eval probably due to swing state heavy election mail dropping off and UPS parcel ending.

Most of office lost 1-2 hours. One gained 17 another lost 14. Some cut l9cked routes went down a lot and the ones that got added gained a lot since it's been a year

 

[RollinRural]

Btw, I have no issues with changes in volume reflecting in pay. I have no issues understanding those who refused to participate in their pay would lose.
I did have issues with others affecting my rt status. I was on union status mostly last few years. But, it shouldn't be to my detriment that I worked for carriers and lost benefits because USPS couldn't train their own employees. They preferred wage theft. This was the common theme at area area meetings from mgmt. It's not their fault carriers are too lazy to understand their pay...

Parcel volume and scanning at the delivery point are all that matters. Everything else rrecs related is peanuts. Your complaints aren’t going to make a difference of more than 1 standard hour.
We’re all doing 250 parcels daily with ever increasing parcel volume. I guess your criticisms are legitimate but they’re not even close to the top ten things that actually matter to determine a routes evaluation.

 

[ATCBigE]

Parcel volume and scanning at the delivery point are all that matters. Everything else rrecs related is peanuts. Your complaints aren’t going to make a difference of more than 1 standard hour.
We’re all doing 250 parcels daily with ever increasing parcel volume. I guess your criticisms are legitimate but they’re not even close to the top ten things that actually matter to determine a routes evaluation.

Packages matter?????

I looked at my numbers from when I was 48K to today when I am 44K.

Here are my average package numbers..

48K

MB 55
PL 5.2
HOUSE 29.8

44K

MB 46.7
PL 4.5
HOUSE 25.5

So telling 4 packages less to house is causing my lost? 8 packages to mailbox isn't worth much at all. Please. It's the USPS & coverage factor. I know where about hour and half to 2 hours was lost. Boxholders twice a week I lost because DeJoy doubled the price of those and printer said !#$# THAT. WE ARE DONE. Coverage factor since initial count has caused roughly 15 mins a day (this isn't figuring out all things).

4 less packages to the house may not be that different especially if the houses are in the subdivisions where houses aren't that far from the road.

Oh and if you were wondering my LOAD TIME is like 30 secs a day less than previous (3 mins) and EoS is about 1.5 mins a day longer.

 

[RollinRural]

Packages matter?????

I looked at my numbers from when I was 48K

The number of parcels, yes. Matters hugely.
Also volume factor of mail and distances to door matter a lot. Coverage factor and office distances.
Wether or not a carrier hits trip to door or flatwss one day is peanuts.

 

[RollinRural]

Packages matter?????

I looked at my numbers from when I was 48K to today when I am 44K.

Here are my average package numbers..

48K

MB 55
PL 5.2
HOUSE 29.8

44K

MB 46.7
PL 4.5
HOUSE 25.5

So telling 4 packages less to house is causing my lost? 8 packages to mailbox isn't worth much at all. Please. It's the USPS & coverage factor. I know where about hour and half to 2 hours was lost. Boxholders twice a week I lost because DeJoy doubled the price of those and printer said !#$# THAT. WE ARE DONE. Coverage factor since initial count has caused roughly 15 mins a day (this isn't figuring out all things).

4 less packages to the house may not be that different especially if the houses are in the subdivisions where houses aren't that far from the road.

Oh and if you were wondering my LOAD TIME is like 30 secs a day less than previous (3 mins) and EoS is about 1.5 mins a day longer.

4 parcels to the door per day, could be worth 5 minutes each, X 6 days = 2 hours right there.
If you’re only getting 80-90 packages a day I can’t believe you’re not a H or J route. Honestly.
You’re lucky.

 

[ATCBigE]

4 parcels to the door per day, could be worth 5 minutes each, X 6 days = 2 hours right there.
If you’re only getting 80-90 packages a day I can’t believe you’re not a H or J route. Honestly.
You’re lucky.

4 parcels could be worth 5 mins, but what if those 4 parcels go to house that are 25 ft from where you park. It ain't worth 5 mins there.

I have 85 miles of driving with 560 boxes. If I was H or J there would be NO RUN doing this route.

 

[RollinRural]

4 parcels could be worth 5 mins, but what if those 4 parcels go to house that are 25 ft from where you park. It ain't worth 5 mins there.

I have 85 miles of driving with 560 boxes. If I was H or J there would be NO RUN doing this route.

You’re mostly being paid to drive then since you’re not doing much actual work. I seriously don’t know why you’re so irate in all your postings.

 

[ATCBigE]

You’re mostly being paid to drive then since you’re not doing much actual work. I seriously don’t know why you’re so irate in all your postings.

Because it is SCREWING over thousands of us carriers that live in rural America. Sure RRECS is great for people in area with growth and etc. Some people won't get it at all. Trust me when you know you can't have any growth and literally just watching "fake coverage numbers" constantly dropping with ZERO PROOF if they are even right.

Think about this. Since 1st mail count, here was coverage factor.

Curb 93%
CBU 93%

Current count (2 and half years later)
Curb 80%
CBU 72%

Lost 13% on Curb and 21% on CBU. THERE'S NO WAY that is right.

 

[Lyra]

Because it is SCREWING over thousands of us carriers that live in rural America. Sure RRECS is great for people in area with growth and etc. Some people won't get it at all. Trust me when you know you can't have any growth and literally just watching "fake coverage numbers" constantly dropping with ZERO PROOF if they are even right.

Think about this. Since 1st mail count, here was coverage factor.

Curb 93%
CBU 93%

Current count (2 and half years later)
Curb 80%
CBU 72%

Lost 13% on Curb and 21% on CBU. THERE'S NO WAY that is right.

if your first box is closed on the cbu that’s the anchor of the cluster box you need to keep it open 100%

and you also need to go through your creep time and group boxes together. The system can’t pick up boxes too close together

 

[ATCBigE]

if your first box is closed on the cbu that’s the anchor of the cluster box you need to keep it open 100%

and you also need to go through your creep time and group boxes together. The system can’t pick up boxes too close together

I've done all that and everything is correct.

 

[jsthere723]

Packages matter?????

I looked at my numbers from when I was 48K to today when I am 44K.

Here are my average package numbers..

48K

MB 55
PL 5.2
HOUSE 29.8

44K

MB 46.7
PL 4.5
HOUSE 25.5

So telling 4 packages less to house is causing my lost? 8 packages to mailbox isn't worth much at all. Please. It's the USPS & coverage factor. I know where about hour and half to 2 hours was lost. Boxholders twice a week I lost because DeJoy doubled the price of those and printer said !#$# THAT. WE ARE DONE. Coverage factor since initial count has caused roughly 15 mins a day (this isn't figuring out all things).

4 less packages to the house may not be that different especially if the houses are in the subdivisions where houses aren't that far from the road.

Oh and if you were wondering my LOAD TIME is like 30 secs a day less than previous (3 mins) and EoS is about 1.5 mins a day longer.

You have lost 14 packages a day of which about 4.3 to the door . Taking these as 3.5 minutes per package is 15 minutes a day . If you take 30 sec a package average for other 10 it is another 5 min . That’s 20 minutes per day from your evaluation causing you loose 2 hrs weekly . Other 2 hrs is from mail decrease . we lost a lot . Flat is becoming extinct . Even DPS is down . I know DPS doesn’t pay much . But when you loose in bulk it matters . Moreover it reduces your coverage factor. I hear you when you say you don’t see any prospect in growth . That’s a bummer. But PO doesn’t want to pay for having any active address which doesn’t get any mail any longer

 

[ATCBigE]

You have lost 14 packages a day of which about 4.3 to the door . Taking these as 3.5 minutes per package is 15 minutes a day . If you take 30 sec a package average for other 10 it is another 5 min . That’s 20 minutes per day from your evaluation causing you loose 2 hrs weekly . Other 2 hrs is from mail decrease . we lost a lot . Flat is becoming extinct . Even DPS is down . I know DPS doesn’t pay much . But when you loose in bulk it matters . Moreover it reduces your coverage factor. I hear you when you say you don’t see any prospect in growth . That’s a bummer. But PO doesn’t want to pay for having any active address which doesn’t get any mail any longer

While I agree with that, the issue is you don't know what you are losing exactly. 4 packages go to house could be 5 mins a package, but could 1 or 2 mins. You don't know. The whole issue with RRECS you don't know anything.

I get volume is down, but I just can't see or fathom where you can lose 13% coverage in 2 and half years in curb and 21% in CBUs. That just flat out nuts to me.

 

[jsthere723]

While I agree with that, the issue is you don't know what you are losing exactly. 4 packages go to house could be 5 mins a package, but could 1 or 2 mins. You don't know. The whole issue with RRECS you don't know anything.

I get volume is down, but I just can't see or fathom where you can lose 13% coverage in 2 and half years in curb and 21% in CBUs. That just flat out nuts to me.

A package to door cannot be less than 2 minutes. Period . Specially in a route like yours it should be way way more . From your sayings it seems it is pretty rural . I am assuming houses are further away from mailboxes. But in any case , it cannot be less than 2 minutes

 

[ATCBigE]

A package to door cannot be less than 2 minutes. Period . Specially in a route like yours it should be way way more . From your sayings it seems it is pretty rural . I am assuming houses are further away from mailboxes. But in any case , it cannot be less than 2 minutes

I understand that packages can't be under 2 mins. All I was trying to say (with my point) is you don't whether you are losing 2 mins average a package or 3.5 mins a package or 5 mins a package. YOU KNOW NOTHING as they would say because NO ONE CAN SEE THAT STUFF. That's the whole issue with this. Everything is more top secret than the Epstein files. It's such a joke because RRECS could be a great thing but without the transparency THAT THE UNION PROMISE US, it's a joke.

I have mixture of both on route. Houses that are literally few from boxes and houses almost mile round trip.

 

[jsthere723]

I understand that packages can't be under 2 mins. All I was trying to say (with my point) is you don't whether you are losing 2 mins average a package or 3.5 mins a package or 5 mins a package. YOU KNOW NOTHING as they would say because NO ONE CAN SEE THAT STUFF. That's the whole issue with this. Everything is more top secret than the Epstein files. It's such a joke because RRECS could be a great thing but without the transparency THAT THE UNION PROMISE US, it's a joke.

I have mixture of both on route. Houses that are literally few from boxes and houses almost mile round trip.

You can definitely figure it out how much you have lost from the drop of door delivery. It’s all there in 4241m . You see the loss in out of route drive time , you see the loss in out of route walk distance, you see the loss in number of prelim and securing . You add those up . And then add up another .7 minutes per package . Roughly that’s your loss from the drop in door delivery