Just a thought...

[oi veh.]

because I didn't want to hijack a time study thread.

This was said, in part, by Doris:

<em>As we all know, when counting, management for years was told to only let us have five or six minutes load time every day (at least in our district). </em>

And I would like to know why. 

Why wasn't that disputed?

The mail count guide clearly states that load times over 15 minutes must be explained.  No where does it state that load times must be 15 minutes or less.

Has anyone else been told what Doris and her district were?  Did you dispute it? 

 

[btdtret]

Oi veh -- "because I didn’t want to hijack a time study thread.  This was said, in part, by Doris:  <em>As we all know, when counting, management for years was told to only let us have five or six minutes load time every day (at least in our district)."</em>

<em>-- </em> Don't forget the other part -- However, do not interpret the loading allowance to be a minimum 15 minutes daily.<em> </em>

--  Could be an "agreement" was established with District -- carriers accept 5 - 6 minutes for loading time and District wouldn't be so free in red lining other times during count.

--  My old office used a set rifling time for DPS trays as it took the counters away from their assigned 4 or 5 routes for too long.   

 

[oi veh.]

Yes, we have an agreed upon riff time, which I don't agree with...but I'm not a poohpah.

However, 5 - 6 minutes load time is ridiculous.

Just about as ridiculous as 30 seconds for parcels. 

 

[gotstamps]

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<strong>Oi veh. said </strong>
Yes, we have an agreed upon riff time, which I don't agree with...but I'm not a poohpah.
However, 5 - 6 minutes load time is ridiculous.
Just about as ridiculous as 30 seconds for parcels.    

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Riffle time is supposed to be actual time as is loading time. Sucks that mgmt forced use of an 'agreed' time. My loading time ran 15-20 minutes depending on parcel load. I've heard of a few offices that are forcing parcel loading without organizing at the case. This adds to your loading time and is how I was timed when counted since I don't 'number' my pkgs. I certainly would have grieved that since it can take up to 3 minutes just to get outside to the vehicle.

 

[12345]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>gotstamps said </strong>

Riffle time is supposed to be actual time as is loading time. Sucks that mgmt forced use of an 'agreed' time. My loading time ran 15-20 minutes depending on parcel load. I've heard of a few offices that are forcing parcel loading without organizing at the case. This adds to your loading time and is how I was timed when counted since I don't 'number' my pkgs. I certainly would have grieved that since it can take up to 3 minutes just to get outside to the vehicle.  </blockquote>
I think if you read a mail count guide organizing your parcels while loading is not to be included as loading time. Organizing at the case is just "built in". If you are not allowed to organize just throw everything in and after you miss dispatch a few times because it took so long to find parcels maybe someone would "see the light".

 

[gotstamps]

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I think if you read a mail count guide organizing your parcels while loading is not to be included as loading time. Organizing at the case is just "built in". If you are not allowed to organize just throw everything in and after you miss dispatch a few times because it took so long to find parcels maybe someone would "see the light".  </blockquote>
I don't "organize" per se. I'm in an LLV so each stop (10 total) is in it's own tub and they are placed in a certain order everyday. Like clerks pitching parcels, I just pitch them to their corresponding tub. Smalls first if possible and larger pkg after. Curbs will get thrown in a tub that goes up front for outgoing. Those I will organize just before I drive off since I only have 1 tray of curb delivery. If I have bigs for my curbs, they go to the backside or the sidewell of my LLV depending on beginning curbs & ending curbs. If I have heavys, I may tweak my arrangement a little but not so much to upset my 'system'. My route is business/curbs, neighborhood, curbs, neighborhood, & business/curbs.

If I were a sub, I would HAVE to # pkgs & organize a little more if a POV, but being a Reg, I know where stuff goes. Growth & cuts change it up a little but I adapt within a couple of days. 

 

[oi veh.]

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<strong>gotstamps said </strong>

Riffle time is supposed to be actual time as is loading time. Sucks that mgmt forced use of an 'agreed' time.  

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Agreed.  However, I would much rather give up a piddly amount of riff time rather than valuable load time. 

 

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<strong>12345 said </strong>

I think if you read a mail count guide organizing your parcels while loading is not to be included as loading time. Organizing at the case is just "built in". If you are not allowed to organize just throw everything in and after you miss dispatch a few times because it took so long to find parcels maybe someone would "see the light".  

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Yup it's part of that all so generous 30 seconds.  21 seconds in office per parcel to sort, mark and put in route order; 9 to deliver.  Woohoo!

p.s.  @gotstamps - do you have a mostly CBU route?  That chunk in a tub would never work for me.  All regular boxes...I would miss something, fer shure.  The ole brain is a sieve.

 

[gotstamps]

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Oi veh. said </strong>

Agreed.  However, I would much rather give up a piddly amount of riff time rather than valuable load time. 

 

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>12345 said </strong>
I think if you read a mail count guide organizing your parcels while loading is not to be included as loading time. Organizing at the case is just "built in". If you are not allowed to organize just throw everything in and after you miss dispatch a few times because it took so long to find parcels maybe someone would "see the light".  </blockquote>

Yup it's part of that all so generous 30 seconds.  21 seconds in office per parcel to sort, mark and put in route order; 9 to deliver.  Woohoo!

 

p.s.  @gotstamps - do you have a mostly CBU route?  That chunk in a tub would never work for me.  All regular boxes...I would miss something, fer shure.  The ole brain is a sieve.  </blockquote>
Yes. My curbs only fill 1 tray. Most of our routes don't have curbs or only a handful. Only a couple are full-curb routes. I used to have more curbs before the neighborhoods invaded the old countryside, but I also had a POV & HAD to organize in office due to space. Of course we only had a 1/2-1 hamper of pkgs back then & actually got a ton of mail everyday.

 

[Shafted]

So if feeling under appreciated is your thing, here is a pay breakdown for a package, regardless of its a spur, and goes in mailbox, or a 50 lb bag of dog food you drive up a half mile driveway and yanked up two flights of stairs.  Let's say I make $30.00 an hour, .50 cents a minute,that's  .25 cents a package.  Makes me feel so appreciated.  Oh wait, that 1/2 mile driveway was on the house.  Free with purchase for the postal service.  

 

[12345]

I have POV. A parcel marker goes in the case. Thanks to Amazon I now have second trips. Some spurs and small parcels are packed with the regular mail, medium parcels and large flats go into tubs in sequence, and the big stuff is somewhat in sequence front to rear. I use between 1 and 6 trays.

 

[oi veh.]

I have a POV as well.  My system is very similar to yours, @12345.

I could probably do as you do, @gotstamps, if my route was mostly CBUs.