Latest union update on step 4

[ATCBigE]

Waste of 5 mins of my life. Here is the biggest quote I took from it.

RRECS prove to be a fair and reasonable measurement system, when we compare national average of regular carrier work hours against evaluated hours paid. RRECS is working.

If that is the case, then why were we filing all of these step 4 on it?????? Well the old mail count system would work too if you made people actually do mail count instead of not getting counted for 10 years because people were able to opt out of these counts.....

 

[IDPOSTAL]

IMO ---- A real snoozer!

 

[neciat]

RRECS prove to be a fair and reasonable measurement system, when we compare national average of regular carrier work hours against evaluated hours paid. RRECS is working

Yeah, I caught that , too. " RRECS is working". Working for who ? Am I the only person that actually believes under time SHOULD exist in an incentive system ? Why is it that BOTH parties have a disdain for under time ? The PO despises that one will work 6 hours and get paid for 9. Well , that carrier could work 11 hours. Would that put the PO at ease ? Then, I have heard this countless times in person and have seen "it" posted on this forum from the loyalists , " Well, how long are you actually working ? " The union should want us to actually work LESS than the evaluated time. Constantly squeezing standards at great financial harm to our craft while benefiting the PO to make our actual time equal our evaluated time is not the answer unless EVERYONE within the employ of the PO is going to work at our pace and efficiency. And I mean everyone. I doubt that any of the union officials could fill their lawn mower in 3 minutes let alone a Govt. vehicle.

 

[Dominator]

Ratio union agent wages to carrier wage national averages and watch how fast RRECS issues get cured.

 

[neciat]

Ratio union agent wages to carrier wage national averages and watch how fast RRECS issues get cured.

I like your attitude !!! Do we see the preliminary language for a C & B resolution here ?

 

[ATCBigE]

Yeah, I caught that , too. " RRECS is working". Working for who ? Am I the only person that actually believes under time SHOULD exist in an incentive system ? Why is it that BOTH parties have a disdain for under time ? The PO despises that one will work 6 hours and get paid for 9. Well , that carrier could work 11 hours. Would that put the PO at ease ? Then, I have heard this countless times in person and have seen "it" posted on this forum from the loyalists , " Well, how long are you actually working ? " The union should want us to actually work LESS than the evaluated time. Constantly squeezing standards at great financial harm to our craft while benefiting the PO to make our actual time equal our evaluated time is not the answer unless EVERYONE within the employ of the PO is going to work at our pace and efficiency. And I mean everyone. I doubt that any of the union officials could fill their lawn mower in 3 minutes let alone a Govt. vehicle.

Yes exactly. For example, a person like myself who doesn't mark packages or case dps, obviously there will be undertime. I mean i could easily take 10 to 12 hours if route was hourly. I could easily drag feet and continuously adjust things in car more than I do.

 

[Gotrope]

Yeah, I caught that , too. " RRECS is working". Working for who ? Am I the only person that actually believes under time SHOULD exist in an incentive system ? Why is it that BOTH parties have a disdain for under time ? The PO despises that one will work 6 hours and get paid for 9. Well , that carrier could work 11 hours. Would that put the PO at ease ? Then, I have heard this countless times in person and have seen "it" posted on this forum from the loyalists , " Well, how long are you actually working ? " The union should want us to actually work LESS than the evaluated time. Constantly squeezing standards at great financial harm to our craft while benefiting the PO to make our actual time equal our evaluated time is not the answer unless EVERYONE within the employ of the PO is going to work at our pace and efficiency. And I mean everyone. I doubt that any of the union officials could fill their lawn mower in 3 minutes let alone a Govt. vehicle.

This is exactly why rurals need to move on from evaluation system. It's not working for many. It's not being protected by union. They have no intention of refuting numbers that are problematic.

 

[btdtret]

All -- "RRECS prove to be a fair and reasonable measurement system, when we compare national average of regular carrier work hours against evaluated hours paid. RRECS is working."

-- Just remember the scale used by the USPS and probably the NRLCA:

- poor / fair / good / better / best / outstanding / stellar

-- Has there been an updated poll on how carriers are doing, pay wise?

-- Early into RRECS, a poll noted 66% of carriers had lost $$ with the implementation of RRECS -- some by thousands of dollars!! So yes RRECS is working -- in favor of the USPS.

-- Apparently the old saying continues to be true: The odds are never in favor of the rural carrier!

-- Anyone ever ask from the floor of a national convention why the National Board has never gone hourly - like the other postal unions? Back in 2018, x-President Dwyer indicated in her section of the national magazine that she NEVER considered going hourly. Apparently that continues to be the mind-set of the nation board ( bored? )

 

[Dominator]

I like your attitude !!! Do we see the preliminary language for a C & B resolution here ?

Perhaps, if a majority of the Delegates weren't bleeding heart NRLCA nationalists.

All it would take to shoot it down is some lame argument that "doing so is cruel and would make victims of those who have the courage to step up in the steward system and serve the members of the union."

Maybe some "you all are putting a big ol' target on the leaders of this organization" rhetorical nonsense.

Anyone ever ask from the floor of a national convention why the National Board has never gone hourly - like the other postal unions? Back in 2018, x-President Dwyer indicated in her section of the national magazine that she NEVER considered going hourly. Apparently that continues to be the mind-set of the nation board ( bored? )

A resolution ordering the board to include "going hourly" as a necessary condition for a tentative agreement else arbitration would be a way to potentially get it in there. A variant could be expanding the option in 9.2.A.1.o to a choice a regular makes at the beginning of every guarantee year, rather than only when becoming regular carrier, mid-period.

An employee appointed as a regular rural carrier during the guarantee period, as set forth in paragraph h., except on routes of less than thirty-five (35) evaluated hours, shall be compensated on the evaluated schedule under Section 7(b)(2) of the Fair Labor Standards Act, provided the carrier agrees, in writing at the time of appointment, to terminate the guarantee agreement on the last day of the pay period as defined in Article 9.2.A.1.h. Such an agreement by any rural carrier is irrevocable. Such an employee shall be compensated in accordance with FLSA Section 7(b)(2) beginning the first day of the next fifty-two (52) consecutive week guarantee period. A carrier who does not agree to terminate the guarantee, as described above, shall be compensated at the rate in accordance with Article 8.3., in the attained step and overtime for work performed only after eight (8) hours on duty in any one service day or forty (40) hours in any one service week, pursuant to Section 7(a) of the Fair Labor Standards Act, until the beginning of the next guarantee period at which time the carrier shall be compensated under the provisions of Section 7(b)(2) of the Fair Labor Standards Act in accordance with Article 9.2.A.​

 

[Offspeed]

Most regulars in my office are well below evaluation by 2-3 hours. Have been ever since preccs implementation. Our problem is we have too many working off the clock - Regs and subs, the union and po don’t care. But only by a half hour so Regs are still well below evaluation.

 

[damifiknow]

lol i told you, multiple times and things, first and foremost this makes me lol, i told you that the union was informed to surrender, i told you that its just a way to pacifiy the masses, its a joke and a scam, i fought this exact thing for at least a year, until i decided to move on to bigger things and put it back to them, when this first started i would stop everywhere , and i was in the 90s never 100 which is strange but then all of a sudden, i was down to 70sand 80s, they the usps had caught on, i changed nothing. so again im like okay time to to reset and figure something else out, and i went up 1.5 hours from there, because they are scumbags and scammers, and when you figure it out they are traking everything and then counter back at you. i did not and will not stop

 

[ATCBigE]

This is exactly why rurals need to move on from evaluation system. It's not working for many. It's not being protected by union. They have no intention of refuting numbers that are problematic.

That's why union need to make up their mind. You either DEFEND the evaluation or you have to let it go.

Union claiming RRECS is working. If it is working well, why do we have 4 step 4 grievances about it that can majorly change some people's evaluation????? Union is perfectly fine with people losing 10K? I thought union fought for better pay and what not, and not MASSIVE PAY CUT.

Here's my point with RRECS. I was 48K at one point and had 2 boxholders weekly. Well DeDUMP jacked those prices up so much both boxholders are done (one guy told me they nearly doubled the price of them in matter of months). I figured out that I would lose roughly an hour on each WSS/boxholder and maybe another hour on coverage. So I would stay around a 45 and take a little pay cut, which I was perfectly fine with because I knew why. Well now I am on lower end of 43 and CONTINUOUS losing 3-5% coverage EVERY 6 MONTH. When does it stop? Both of them boxholders have been off my count for at least 6 months if not a year (PLUS one of those boxholders was delivered on Monday so coverage shouldn't have been hurt), but beyond the point.

This is why I think next year I am pulling out of the union. They present the wrong messaging to us the carriers and they are so out of touch with stuff.