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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>btdtret said </strong>
George -- "Oi veh, honey, …" " But who cares about any of that.."
-- Yes, George, I know I took your wording out of context, but I still feel that "honey" is out of line. Call me old fashioned, but... </blockquote>
IF you <em>LOOK</em> you'll see she said "George, <strong>my boy,"</strong> and directly below that I said, "Oi veh, honey"......good lord, I think we all have more than enough to worry about.
George -- "Oi veh, honey, …" " But who cares about any of that.."
-- Yes, George, I know I took your wording out of context, but I still feel that "honey" is out of line. Call me old fashioned, but... </blockquote>
IF you <em>LOOK</em> you'll see she said "George, <strong>my boy,"</strong> and directly below that I said, "Oi veh, honey"......good lord, I think we all have more than enough to worry about.
George -- "IF you <em>LOOK</em> you’ll see she said “George, <strong>my boy,”</strong>
-- Maybe "Oi veh" has a British back ground.
-- But you are correct. There are more things to worry about during this count.
-- For instance, a carrier who is wondering what will happen if the 42H route becomes an AUX. That is a BIG drop, for even manglement to pull off ( at least legally ) IMHO.
-- As well as the usual FedEx / UPS drop offs decreasing, DPS in "pristine" condition, the usual flats showing up right before count -- instead of their usual time frame the rest of the year, etc, etc.
-- Time to be taking copious notes of the "oddities" and "coincidences" that occur during count.
-- Maybe "Oi veh" has a British back ground.
-- But you are correct. There are more things to worry about during this count.
-- For instance, a carrier who is wondering what will happen if the 42H route becomes an AUX. That is a BIG drop, for even manglement to pull off ( at least legally ) IMHO.
-- As well as the usual FedEx / UPS drop offs decreasing, DPS in "pristine" condition, the usual flats showing up right before count -- instead of their usual time frame the rest of the year, etc, etc.
-- Time to be taking copious notes of the "oddities" and "coincidences" that occur during count.
bt, you are quite gallant and I appreciate it; however, I'll take honey...don't want to be called worse.
George, in my first post, I was attempting to address the items that you seemed to have a problem with, for example, you said you don't strap out. I don't either. Traying and strapping out are basically the same.
You are not going to find anything in writing to back up parcels on the floor; it's common sense. (I know, it's the PO and that is a foreign concept.) But, since several (many) of us in different parts of the country who went to count training have been told the same thing, perhaps a call to your DR <strong>would</strong> be in order.
Or you can just keep track and dispute all at the end.
I find it easier to fight the battle each day and take my victories rather than having to do all that paperwork.
George, in my first post, I was attempting to address the items that you seemed to have a problem with, for example, you said you don't strap out. I don't either. Traying and strapping out are basically the same.
You are not going to find anything in writing to back up parcels on the floor; it's common sense. (I know, it's the PO and that is a foreign concept.) But, since several (many) of us in different parts of the country who went to count training have been told the same thing, perhaps a call to your DR <strong>would</strong> be in order.
Or you can just keep track and dispute all at the end.
I find it easier to fight the battle each day and take my victories rather than having to do all that paperwork.
D.B.Cooper
Active member
I got called "honey" the other day... I thought it was kinda "SWEET"... <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /><img title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" />
I have been called worse tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />
I have been called worse tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" />
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>D.B.Cooper said </strong>
I got called "honey" the other day... I thought it was kinda "SWEET"... <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /><img title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" />
I have been called worse tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" /> </blockquote>
My grandfather would've asked you "Was He Cute"
He was a sarcastic old fart like me.
Sorry I couldn't resist
I got called "honey" the other day... I thought it was kinda "SWEET"... <img title="Wink" alt="Wink" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" /><img title="Laugh" alt="Laugh" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-laugh.gif" />
I have been called worse tho... <img title="Frown" alt="Frown" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-frown.gif" /> </blockquote>
My grandfather would've asked you "Was He Cute"
He was a sarcastic old fart like me.
Sorry I couldn't resist
notdeadyet
Member
After a discussion with our counter,I am using too much time to load my vehicle.I want her to show me what not to do. I load my mail,spurs in tubs ,as many parcels as possible.I go back and get my 2nd load of parcels.It would be hard not to load items in some order just so I can load the rest. Am I supposedto just toss it all into the truck while being timed,then come back out and organize things before I leave(not being timed)? Any ideas would be helpful.
notdeadyet -- "After a discussion with our counter,I am using too much time to load my vehicle."
-- Probably the "discussion" went like this: "You are taking too much time to load --- speed it up!" Am I close?
-- No matter -- loading time is covered on page 25 and 26 of the 2018 Mail Count Guide -- and it is a "it is what it is" timed event.
-- If you really want to, you have some options:
a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )
b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.
c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.
d. Section 363 of the M-38, Mail Set up -- Last sentence: Parcels must be aligned in delivery sequence in the vehicle convenient to the carrier.
e. If the counter is smart enough to know the clock stops while putting parcels in delivery order, fine, if not, also fine.
f. The counter probably just does not want to provide an explanation why loading time took over 15 minutes.
g. If the counter insists you to use the 1 - 6 loading areas of the vehicle, fine, even though it should only apply to city routes ( as yet ).
h. Some carriers ( and PM's ) are concerned with safety during the loading process, so only load the buggy / hamper to the top edge. If additional trips are needed, the clock keeps running while you load a 2nd ( or more ) buggies / hampers until the loading process is complete and you push the buggy / hamper to its designated location.
i. In the past, some counters / PM's want the carrier to load the buggy / hamper with parcels in the reverse delivery order, so the parcels "magically" are in delivery order when placed in the vehicle. I was never able to do it that way and with multiple trips to load, not very practical ( IMHO )
-- Probably the "discussion" went like this: "You are taking too much time to load --- speed it up!" Am I close?
-- No matter -- loading time is covered on page 25 and 26 of the 2018 Mail Count Guide -- and it is a "it is what it is" timed event.
-- If you really want to, you have some options:
a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )
b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.
c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.
d. Section 363 of the M-38, Mail Set up -- Last sentence: Parcels must be aligned in delivery sequence in the vehicle convenient to the carrier.
e. If the counter is smart enough to know the clock stops while putting parcels in delivery order, fine, if not, also fine.
f. The counter probably just does not want to provide an explanation why loading time took over 15 minutes.
g. If the counter insists you to use the 1 - 6 loading areas of the vehicle, fine, even though it should only apply to city routes ( as yet ).
h. Some carriers ( and PM's ) are concerned with safety during the loading process, so only load the buggy / hamper to the top edge. If additional trips are needed, the clock keeps running while you load a 2nd ( or more ) buggies / hampers until the loading process is complete and you push the buggy / hamper to its designated location.
i. In the past, some counters / PM's want the carrier to load the buggy / hamper with parcels in the reverse delivery order, so the parcels "magically" are in delivery order when placed in the vehicle. I was never able to do it that way and with multiple trips to load, not very practical ( IMHO )
notdeadyet
Member
that was helpful.Thank you.The counter used to be a rural carrier(told me how she loaded her vehicle)She will stop the clock while I line up parcels.(thats okay)I was trying to understand what I am being timed for. You have answered the question.
callofthewild
Well-known member
#27....love your handle....notdeadyet.......Load time is what it is......be polite and ask her to show you a better way to load you vehicle. Management is there to help you and show you how to work efficiently. But, when you find this member of Management please clone and send them to each and every Post Office. No, you are NOT to just toss the mail in your truck....it is to be in order of delivery.
I use trays......and then load the GO's (get outs) in order of delivery towards the back of my vehicle. My trays are in order of delivery. I was trained using parcel markers so use blue markers for the GO's and green for the items in the trays....tiny parcels are marked with red. This doesn't take much time and I know exactly what to look for. Many times you need to turn into a road or driveway before you get to the box, if you have some way to clue what size it is before you get to the box, it will save a little time.
I use trays......and then load the GO's (get outs) in order of delivery towards the back of my vehicle. My trays are in order of delivery. I was trained using parcel markers so use blue markers for the GO's and green for the items in the trays....tiny parcels are marked with red. This doesn't take much time and I know exactly what to look for. Many times you need to turn into a road or driveway before you get to the box, if you have some way to clue what size it is before you get to the box, it will save a little time.
notdeadyet
Member
I load and mark parcels much the same.
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>btdtret said </strong>
notdeadyet -- "After a discussion with our counter,I am using too much time to load my vehicle."
-- Probably the "discussion" went like this: "You are taking too much time to load --- speed it up!" Am I close?
-- No matter -- loading time is covered on page 25 and 26 of the 2018 Mail Count Guide -- and it is a "it is what it is" timed event.
-- If you really want to, you have some options:
a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )
b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.
c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.
d. Section 363 of the M-38, Mail Set up -- Last sentence: Parcels must be aligned in delivery sequence in the vehicle convenient to the carrier.
e. If the counter is smart enough to know the clock stops while putting parcels in delivery order, fine, if not, also fine.
f. The counter probably just does not want to provide an explanation why loading time took over 15 minutes.
g. If the counter insists you to use the 1 - 6 loading areas of the vehicle, fine, even though it should only apply to city routes ( as yet ).
h. Some carriers ( and PM's ) are concerned with safety during the loading process, so only load the buggy / hamper to the top edge. If additional trips are needed, the clock keeps running while you load a 2nd ( or more ) buggies / hampers until the loading process is complete and you push the buggy / hamper to its designated location.
i. In the past, some counters / PM's want the carrier to load the buggy / hamper with parcels in the reverse delivery order, so the parcels "magically" are in delivery order when placed in the vehicle. I was never able to do it that way and with multiple trips to load, not very practical ( IMHO ) </blockquote>
<strong>a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )</strong>
They would just throw the mail in the truck in no order at all and you would be stuck delivering and re-sequencing that mail
<strong>b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.</strong>
They are telling us everything should be in order (including large parcels) in the office and nothing sequenced at the truck. They say we should be able to just toss the large parcels into the truck w/o even looking at the address because it should be loaded on the conveyance in order. We have been docked loading time.
<strong>c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.</strong>
Same answer as b. It will still be in order in the vehicle but all the sequencing must be in the office (they say)
notdeadyet -- "After a discussion with our counter,I am using too much time to load my vehicle."
-- Probably the "discussion" went like this: "You are taking too much time to load --- speed it up!" Am I close?
-- No matter -- loading time is covered on page 25 and 26 of the 2018 Mail Count Guide -- and it is a "it is what it is" timed event.
-- If you really want to, you have some options:
a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )
b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.
c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.
d. Section 363 of the M-38, Mail Set up -- Last sentence: Parcels must be aligned in delivery sequence in the vehicle convenient to the carrier.
e. If the counter is smart enough to know the clock stops while putting parcels in delivery order, fine, if not, also fine.
f. The counter probably just does not want to provide an explanation why loading time took over 15 minutes.
g. If the counter insists you to use the 1 - 6 loading areas of the vehicle, fine, even though it should only apply to city routes ( as yet ).
h. Some carriers ( and PM's ) are concerned with safety during the loading process, so only load the buggy / hamper to the top edge. If additional trips are needed, the clock keeps running while you load a 2nd ( or more ) buggies / hampers until the loading process is complete and you push the buggy / hamper to its designated location.
i. In the past, some counters / PM's want the carrier to load the buggy / hamper with parcels in the reverse delivery order, so the parcels "magically" are in delivery order when placed in the vehicle. I was never able to do it that way and with multiple trips to load, not very practical ( IMHO ) </blockquote>
<strong>a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )</strong>
They would just throw the mail in the truck in no order at all and you would be stuck delivering and re-sequencing that mail
<strong>b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.</strong>
They are telling us everything should be in order (including large parcels) in the office and nothing sequenced at the truck. They say we should be able to just toss the large parcels into the truck w/o even looking at the address because it should be loaded on the conveyance in order. We have been docked loading time.
<strong>c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.</strong>
Same answer as b. It will still be in order in the vehicle but all the sequencing must be in the office (they say)
This is why I think that we just should throw in the towel and go on the clock. The USPS is always looking for ways to manipulate our system and cheat us out of time when the mailcount comes around. If they think they have a better way then I would be willing to do it whatever way they want and let them suffer for their inefficient methods and watch them beg to have the evaluated system back. This has been one of the worst counts that I have been through as far as management looking for ways to cheat us out of times for things we do all year, saying they have a more efficient way and we should be doing things their way. Like I have said before if we lose the freedom to handle the mail the way that works best for us then there is no reason to stay with the evaluated system. Watch how much time they will spend arguing over the results of the time study and looking for ways to manipulate that. We will be lucky to see it implemented by the end of 2019 and it will probably be nothing like the suggestions by the chairman.
OutHereSomewhere
Well-known member
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Cangonow said </strong>
<strong>a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )</strong>
They would just throw the mail in the truck in no order at all and you would be stuck delivering and re-sequencing that mail
<strong>b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.</strong>
They are telling us everything should be in order (including large parcels) in the office and nothing sequenced at the truck. They say <em><strong>we should be able to just toss the large parcels into the truck w/o even looking at the address</strong></em> because it should be loaded on the conveyance in order. We have been docked loading time.
<strong>c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.</strong>
Same answer as b. It will still be in order in the vehicle but all the sequencing must be in the office (they say) </blockquote>
This of course dates from a time when we got 5 or 6 big packages that we put in the back, not the 30 or 40 we get these days. Spin back the clock to when they first came up with this "You don't get time to place them in order" crap, and you didn't need to because there wasn't that many to have to keep straight. Times and facts have changed...management is still living in the 1950's.
<strong>a. Ask your counter to show you the "correct" way to load. You can time the counter if you like or if the counter is willing. ( probably not going to happen )</strong>
They would just throw the mail in the truck in no order at all and you would be stuck delivering and re-sequencing that mail
<strong>b. Take out the PO-603 ( hopefully the counter knows what it is ) and turn to page 50: Section 262.1 -- Load all mail in the vehicle so that it is in sequence of delivery to ensure that no time is lost on the route searching for the proper bundles and parcels or containers.</strong>
They are telling us everything should be in order (including large parcels) in the office and nothing sequenced at the truck. They say <em><strong>we should be able to just toss the large parcels into the truck w/o even looking at the address</strong></em> because it should be loaded on the conveyance in order. We have been docked loading time.
<strong>c. If the office has a copy of the M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ), turn to Section 362 -- Loading -- The mail must be loaded in the vehicle in order of delivery. It is essential that carriers maintain the delivery sequence of mail in the vehicle.</strong>
Same answer as b. It will still be in order in the vehicle but all the sequencing must be in the office (they say) </blockquote>
This of course dates from a time when we got 5 or 6 big packages that we put in the back, not the 30 or 40 we get these days. Spin back the clock to when they first came up with this "You don't get time to place them in order" crap, and you didn't need to because there wasn't that many to have to keep straight. Times and facts have changed...management is still living in the 1950's.
D.B.Cooper
Active member
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>Cangonow said </strong>
This is why I think that we just should throw in the towel and go on the clock. The USPS is always looking for ways to manipulate our system and cheat us out of time when the mailcount comes around. If they think they have a better way then I would be willing to do it whatever way they want and let them suffer for their inefficient methods and watch them beg to have the evaluated system back. This has been one of the worst counts that I have been through as far as management looking for ways to cheat us out of times for things we do all year, saying they have a more efficient way and we should be doing things their way. Like I have said before if we lose the freedom to handle the mail the way that works best for us then there is no reason to stay with the evaluated system. <span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Watch how much time they will spend arguing over the results of the time study and looking for ways to manipulate that. We will be lucky to see it implemented by the end of 2019 and it will probably be nothing like the suggestions by the chairman. </strong></span></blockquote>
They've already stretched the comment period WAY out... and now to hear that the USPS & NRLCA have made <strong>joint</strong> comments to the Chairman... yeah, Buddy... sure sounds to me like the fix is in, and we're screwed... <img title="Cry" alt="Cry" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif" />
This is why I think that we just should throw in the towel and go on the clock. The USPS is always looking for ways to manipulate our system and cheat us out of time when the mailcount comes around. If they think they have a better way then I would be willing to do it whatever way they want and let them suffer for their inefficient methods and watch them beg to have the evaluated system back. This has been one of the worst counts that I have been through as far as management looking for ways to cheat us out of times for things we do all year, saying they have a more efficient way and we should be doing things their way. Like I have said before if we lose the freedom to handle the mail the way that works best for us then there is no reason to stay with the evaluated system. <span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Watch how much time they will spend arguing over the results of the time study and looking for ways to manipulate that. We will be lucky to see it implemented by the end of 2019 and it will probably be nothing like the suggestions by the chairman. </strong></span></blockquote>
They've already stretched the comment period WAY out... and now to hear that the USPS & NRLCA have made <strong>joint</strong> comments to the Chairman... yeah, Buddy... sure sounds to me like the fix is in, and we're screwed... <img title="Cry" alt="Cry" src="https://www.ruralmailtalk.ruralinfo.net/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-smileys/sf-cry.gif" />
