LTM question
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U caught my attention
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We arent trespassing but there is liability.
When I was told to not go up driveways it was explained as a liability issue.
I couldnt find anything that said to utilize driveway. I then thought about the mapped park points we plotted and thought that they are technically the link between being at the box and the next step toward door delivery.
(Correct me if I am wrong) There is no language currently protecting our use of driveways. That is how I am undrrstanding the point @Rural-life-0323 is trying to make.
When I was told to not go up driveways it was explained as a liability issue.
I couldnt find anything that said to utilize driveway. I then thought about the mapped park points we plotted and thought that they are technically the link between being at the box and the next step toward door delivery.
(Correct me if I am wrong) There is no language currently protecting our use of driveways. That is how I am undrrstanding the point @Rural-life-0323 is trying to make.
there is no liability.
there is implied consent.
the customer orders a package and expects delivery to his house. it is universally understood that a courier (whether is it us, UPS, FEDEX, DHL, whoever) is going to have to get up the customer's driveway somehow.
in all the years i have doing this job, someone accusing me or any of the carriers i know (there are many, many, many) of trespassing is exactly zero.
just do the job. if you don't think it's safe to go up a drive, then don't.
just be prepared for the fallout.
U caught my attention
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Yes, we generally make the call when we are out there to go up or not.
We had a stand up one day that included the direct order
"No driving up driveways."
Imagine what that direct order means to your own route.
They even posted a sign in the office.
No driving up driveways
What language would you use to counter that directive?
I dove into many rabbit holes to try and find language and I have not been able to find any. As far as I can tell,
we have 3849, 4232, and our own two feet.
Would the PO want us to not deliver to the door like the other delivery companys? Maybe push folks to put in their own parcel container nearer the end of their drive? IDK...after a conversation with PM the direct order was lifted but it exposed a vulnerability to our performance and time standards associated with door delivery.
they are trying to benchmark and reduce our routes any way that they can.
it is up to us to stop them from violating our contract, to include ALL RRECs guidelines.
i sure hope that you reported this to national.
just like an out of office steward (if you don't have a local) doesn't know what's going on in your office because he/she is not present, neither does national know what's actually going on in the field unless it is reported to them.
U caught my attention
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Yes the union was made aware.
A resolution was made in an attempt to point out the issue and find a remedy.
Edited to say it wasn't just my office. At state convention I found out there were other offices in the area that got the same order.
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Rt2mailman
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I can understand a manager saying don't drive up a driveway if the house is 40-50 feet from the road, because there is more risk pulling in an backing out than walking the parcel in. If the parcel is big and or heavy, backing in is still the safer option. However, as has been posted up above, homes that are up to 1/2 mile from the route would be unsafe to walk to the door. Read our PO 603 carefully. It doesn’t state that we cannot deliver beyond 1/2 mile, only that a carrier cannot be required to deliver parcels beyond 1/2 mile from the line of travel.
Many routes around the US deliver on private roads to several homes. All those homes would be concidered on private driveways, as would be the apartment house mentioned about. No carrier in their right mind would park outside that private roadway and walk the last 3 miles in. From the get go that suggestion is ridiculous and unfounded in any USPS manual and or contracts.
Many routes around the US deliver on private roads to several homes. All those homes would be concidered on private driveways, as would be the apartment house mentioned about. No carrier in their right mind would park outside that private roadway and walk the last 3 miles in. From the get go that suggestion is ridiculous and unfounded in any USPS manual and or contracts.
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