Miles or Boxes?

[macon]

I know the answer is much more complicated than a simple answer. But in general... is it better to have more miles with fewer boxes? Or more boxes with fewer miles? I'm in the process of being cut. They are wanting to taking a very condensed area with high box count but low miles. Am I better off accepting that,,, or fighting to give up an area with fewer boxes but higher miles?

 

[Shannonboy]

I know the answer is much more complicated than a simple answer. But in general... is it better to have more miles with fewer boxes? Or more boxes with fewer miles? I'm in the process of being cut. They are wanting to taking a very condensed area with high box count but low miles. Am I better off accepting that,,, or fighting to give up an area with fewer boxes but higher miles?

I wouldn't....more miles with fewer boxes would benefit you more in this situation.
Good luck.

 

[neciat]

I wouldn't....more miles with fewer boxes would benefit you more in this situation.
Good luck.

I don't know about that one. The more stops per mile, the more the mile is worth. It's for the drive speed matrix. From The RRECS Guide ;

A. A mile in which the rural carrier is in a neighborhood and stops every 100 feet or so
to service a box: In this example the mile is divided in approximate 53 intervals of
100 feet. Looking at the DSM above we multiply each 100‐foot interval by 0.00128
minutes/foot and get 0.128 minutes per interval times 53 intervals equals 6.78
minutes per day or 40.7 minutes per week driving time for this mile of the route.

B. A mile in which the carrier stops for boxes that are more spread out and 1/10 of a
mile apart: In this example the mile is only divided into 10 intervals of 528 feet.
From DSM, we multiply each 528‐foot interval by 0.00067 minutes/ft and get 0.354
minutes per interval times 10 intervals equals 3.54 minutes per day or 21.23 minutes
per week driving time.

C. A mile of “dead‐head” in which the carrier makes no stops for boxes or traffic
control points: In this example the mile is one interval of 5280 feet. From DSM we
multiply 5280 feet times 0.00029 minutes/ft and get 1.53 minutes per day or 9.19
minutes per week driving time.

 

[macon]

Wow... thats a LOT of information. Thanks neciat.

 

[neciat]

Quite welcome !!!!!

 

[Shannonboy]

I don't know about that one. The more stops per mile, the more the mile is worth. It's for the drive speed matrix. From The RRECS Guide ;

A. A mile in which the rural carrier is in a neighborhood and stops every 100 feet or so
to service a box: In this example the mile is divided in approximate 53 intervals of
100 feet. Looking at the DSM above we multiply each 100‐foot interval by 0.00128
minutes/foot and get 0.128 minutes per interval times 53 intervals equals 6.78
minutes per day or 40.7 minutes per week driving time for this mile of the route.

B. A mile in which the carrier stops for boxes that are more spread out and 1/10 of a
mile apart: In this example the mile is only divided into 10 intervals of 528 feet.
From DSM, we multiply each 528‐foot interval by 0.00067 minutes/ft and get 0.354
minutes per interval times 10 intervals equals 3.54 minutes per day or 21.23 minutes
per week driving time.

C. A mile of “dead‐head” in which the carrier makes no stops for boxes or traffic
control points: In this example the mile is one interval of 5280 feet. From DSM we
multiply 5280 feet times 0.00029 minutes/ft and get 1.53 minutes per day or 9.19
minutes per week driving time.

That's what I said...he should keep the stuff with more boxes, and give them the miles with fewer boxes...

 

[Shannonboy]

Maybe I wasnt clear, but always keep the more volume sections if its rural, maybe not aptmts, and stuff inside limits though, ndcbus and such, they will kill you under rrec's....

 

[jsthere723]

I don't know about that one. The more stops per mile, the more the mile is worth. It's for the drive speed matrix. From The RRECS Guide ;

A. A mile in which the rural carrier is in a neighborhood and stops every 100 feet or so
to service a box: In this example the mile is divided in approximate 53 intervals of
100 feet. Looking at the DSM above we multiply each 100‐foot interval by 0.00128
minutes/foot and get 0.128 minutes per interval times 53 intervals equals 6.78
minutes per day or 40.7 minutes per week driving time for this mile of the route.

B. A mile in which the carrier stops for boxes that are more spread out and 1/10 of a
mile apart: In this example the mile is only divided into 10 intervals of 528 feet.
From DSM, we multiply each 528‐foot interval by 0.00067 minutes/ft and get 0.354
minutes per interval times 10 intervals equals 3.54 minutes per day or 21.23 minutes
per week driving time.

C. A mile of “dead‐head” in which the carrier makes no stops for boxes or traffic
control points: In this example the mile is one interval of 5280 feet. From DSM we
multiply 5280 feet times 0.00029 minutes/ft and get 1.53 minutes per day or 9.19
minutes per week driving time.

Yes . Keeping more boxes with volume is better . If the boxes doesn’t provide more volume then it’s a wash

 

[LEFTINGUTTER]

I don't know about that one. The more stops per mile, the more the mile is worth. It's for the drive speed matrix. From The RRnumbers ECS Guide ;

A. A mile in which the rural carrier is in a neighborhood and stops every 100 feet or so
to service a box: In this example the mile is divided in approximate 53 intervals of
100 feet. Looking at the DSM above we multiply each 100‐foot interval by 0.00128
minutes/foot and get 0.128 minutes per interval times 53 intervals equals 6.78
minutes per day or 40.7 minutes per week driving time for this mile of the route.

B. A mile in which the carrier stops for boxes that are more spread out and 1/10 of a
mile apart: In this example the mile is only divided into 10 intervals of 528 feet.
From DSM, we multiply each 528‐foot interval by 0.00067 minutes/ft and get 0.354
minutes per interval times 10 intervals equals 3.54 minutes per day or 21.23 minutes
per week driving time.

C. A mile of “dead‐head” in which the carrier makes no stops for boxes or traffic
control points: In this example the mile is one interval of 5280 feet. From DSM we
multiply 5280 feet times 0.00029 minutes/ft and get 1.53 minutes per day or 9.19
minutes per week driving time.

Thank You for the numbers
now let us use them to show how bad we are getting cheated. Tke the 1.53 for that mile and say you are in trafffic going thirty to thirty five miles per hour (a fair number since we do not deliver mail on the interstate) that makes that dead head mile a loss of seven seconds a day. this is simple to see we are gettig it put to us.

 

[BraveHrt68]

I have a question about vacant boxes. You are supposed to wait 90 days before making a box vacant. If someone moves out on my route and the address is vacant...is it better to make it vacant sooner? Wouldnt having a vacant box for 3 months hurt my box coverage percentage? Or is it more beneficial to keep as many boxes as you can open on the route?

 

[jsthere723]

I have a question about vacant boxes. You are supposed to wait 90 days before making a box vacant. If someone moves out on my route and the address is vacant...is it better to make it vacant sooner? Wouldnt having a vacant box for 3 months hurt my box coverage percentage? Or is it more beneficial to keep as many boxes as you can open on the route?

I would keep it open longest possible of time . Will help the credit a tiny tiny bit with the days you have wss or other full coverage . Remember coverage factor percentage itself is not a credit . You multiply that with active number of boxes . And you get credit for that many boxes

 

[Morty]

Seems every carrier I meet with a city route has a 48k and done by noon. One guy I know has a 65k, makes 2-3 2nd trips and is crying how hard it is if he's done at 1pm. And here I am with high miles, low box and 3pm is a miracle light day. It takes 5 hours just to drive my route without stopping!

 

[Ally]

Don't know if this helps but... in our office one got cut with a heavy delivery area and put on another route but kept her miles. That route lost a lot of mail volume goes under her evaluation daily. The route that got her cut part has a lot more mail and gets done later. If mail volume is a bigger part of RRECS than the route that got some taken off will go down more than the other route after they are unfrozen.

 

[macon]

well... apparently, it doesn't matter what I want. They told me they are taking the high volume/ low mile area because it makes sense as they form a new auxiliary. it will take effect in november. so much for carrier input..... 48K to 43K

 

[IDPOSTAL]

If you a a step 1 topped out that's about $11,000 a year pay cut!!

 

[johnwayne]

too late. but id keep the area that has growth. miles or not. will get your route back up faster.

 

[macon]

too late. but id keep the area that has growth. miles or not. will get your route back up faster.

I will be keeping the area with the most growth potential. I'll be getting home an hr and a half earlier. guess I will find a side gig.

 

[EthelAnne]

I will be keeping the area with the most growth potential. I'll be getting home an hr and a half earlier. guess I will find a side gig.

Go for the area with potential for growth. Under RRECS, the money is in mail (including parcels) volume, not miles.

 

[Table2blows]

I’d say pre-rrecs miles were worth more than boxes, post-rrecs miles are worth significantly less than boxes. Unless you have a stop sign every 50 feet of those empty miles.