NALC and USPS reach tentative agreement

[K]

USPS starves peeps in to voting for these POS contracts.... it's been so long since they've had a pay raise or COLA, wth, vote for this POS or wait over a year or so on arbitration to get anything... it's a rigged system....

This agreement is stunning--and devastating to the other crafts (like us) who are currently negotiating. I don't know how the NALC justifies negotiating for 20 months to get nothing of any significance in this new agreement (the elimination of a few lowest steps on Table 2? Is that a win?) They might as well have just changed the dates on the old agreement and signed that 20 months ago.

I have to share this story: There was an RCA hired last month for my office who was told during orientation by the city carrier Instructor (in my district, orientation is held together for both crafts, with a city carrier conducting it) that CCAs would be getting a 20% increase in pay with the new contract, and she should jump ship. She did.

ETA: I’m not advocating that RCAs should jump ship, merely sharing a story that shows the expectations of this contract and what some city carriers believed would be in the new contract.

NALC's president has/had multiple charges for his handling of their negotiation. Just had more charges brought a few days ago I belive.

 

[DB.Cooper]

If you think NRLCA will do better than NALC.... one word.... fuhgeddaboudit....

 

[RollinRural]

What bothers me the most (being on table 2), every contract, every cola, every gwi the difference in salary between table 1 and table 2 INCREASES due to the proportional BS. A fair contract should reduce the disparity between the two pay tables and bring us closer together, not just at the last step.

You are correct.
Just know that in the past mostly table 1 carriers, who’ve been around longer, are typically the ones who vote more and they voted for creating table 2 so their own table 1 wages could go up. It’s the boomer-show-me-the-money vote and sell the young people down the river mentality that got us to where we are now.
I always vote NO on every contract because they’ve all been a joke as long as I’ve been here.
RCA’s and cca’s should be making no less than $25, and anyone who votes for any contract like this with 0.50 cents for subs is a complete idiot.

 

[Male.mailman]

Health insurance went up 30% and 1.3% raise are a joke. All other Federal workers got a 5.4% raise last year. You now know how our contract will be. This contract offer could of been done day 1.

At the union meeting I attended a week ago, the rep told us that the NRLCA is asking for pay raises. Someone asked the obvious follow-up question, "What are they requesting for an increase?" Rep's answer was, "they're keeping that a secret".

 

[Wilco183]

You are correct.
Just know that in the past mostly table 1 carriers, who’ve been around longer, are typically the ones who vote more and they voted for creating table 2 so their own table 1 wages could go up. It’s the boomer-show-me-the-money vote and sell the young people down the river mentality that got us to where we are now.
I always vote NO on every contract because they’ve all been a joke as long as I’ve been here.
RCA’s and cca’s should be making no less than $25, and anyone who votes for any contract like this with 0.50 cents for subs is a complete idiot.

Why the hail are you fomenting divisiveness between Table 1 and Table 2 with a blatant lie. Table 2 was foisted on this craft in Arbitration. The same Arbitrator that gave rurals RRECS.

 

[stillfirstclass]

You are correct.
Just know that in the past mostly table 1 carriers, who’ve been around longer, are typically the ones who vote more and they voted for creating table 2 so their own table 1 wages could go up. It’s the boomer-show-me-the-money vote and sell the young people down the river mentality that got us to where we are now.
I always vote NO on every contract because they’ve all been a joke as long as I’ve been here.
RCA’s and cca’s should be making no less than $25, and anyone who votes for any contract like this with 0.50 cents for subs is a complete idiot.

It was the city carriers union that allowed that crap in. The second pay table was not made in any shape or form by rural carrier s

 

[RollinRural]

Why the hail are you fomenting divisiveness between Table 1 and Table 2 with a blatant lie. Table 2 was foisted on this craft in Arbitration. The same Arbitrator that gave rurals RRECS.

Did you vote Yes on the last contract?
Then you voted to keep table 2.
Everything in terms of wages is up for negotiations every time.

 

[stillfirstclass]

Why the hail are you fomenting divisiveness between Table 1 and Table 2 with a blatant lie. Table 2 was foisted on this craft in Arbitration. The same Arbitrator that gave rurals RRECS.

That arbitrator just gave us with the city carriers. Got the same thing they did.

 

[stillfirstclass]

Did you vote Yes on the last contract?
Then you voted to keep table 2.
Everything in terms of wages is up for negotiations every time.

Every table one I know voted no! It is the RCA’s who wanted annual in sick days that voted yes

 

[DB.Cooper]

At the union meeting I attended a week ago, the rep told us that the NRLCA is asking for pay raises. Someone asked the obvious follow-up question, "What are they requesting for an increase?" Rep's answer was, "they're keeping that a secret".

Pay raises.... LOL.... yeah, 1.3%....

 

[Blargg]

At the union meeting I attended a week ago, the rep told us that the NRLCA is asking for pay raises. Someone asked the obvious follow-up question, "What are they requesting for an increase?" Rep's answer was, "they're keeping that a secret".

Apparently USPS was offering the NALC a $5.00/hr pay raise for the entire city craft, with the caveat of adopting the RRECS system. So with that logic they should give us all $5.00/hr raise for keeping rrecs right?

 

[Wilco183]

It was the city carriers union that allowed that crap in. The second pay table was not made in any shape or form by rural carrier s

It was the APWU that went first and accepted what led to rural Table 2 in Arbitration. NALC went last and got a different (quicker) timeline for CCAs to reach pay parity with Table 1.

 

[Wilco183]

Did you vote Yes on the last contract?
Then you voted to keep table 2.
Everything in terms of wages is up for negotiations every time.

No and get real...no Arbitrator is going to rescind Table 2. You stated that T1ers voted to create Table 2, out of greed no less. Now go ahead and triple down on this per usual.

 

[DB.Cooper]

No and get real...no Arbitrator is going to rescind Table 2. You stated that T1ers voted to create Table 2, out of greed no less. Now go ahead and triple down on this per usual.

The 2012 contract never was voted on by the NRLCA members.... went straight to arbitration when no tentative agreement was reached.... NRLCA did lose at arguments in arbitration, as they lost our @$$es for us.... but otherwise, there was no blame at anybody for voting, because there was no vote....

 

[oi veh.]

Every table one I know voted no! It is the RCA’s who wanted annual in sick days that voted yes

i voted no.

i vote no on every contract.

 

[RollinRural]

NALC VOTES NO

www.nalcvotesno.com

This is a good read.
Pass it on to your city carrier colleagues.

 

[LouSainus]

i voted no.

i vote no on every contract.

Same and every person I know as the post office has voted no yet they still pass with like 75% yes votes.
Retired carriers should not be voting on contracts for current carriers.

 

[EthelAnne]

NALC's president has/had multiple charges for his handling of their negotiation. Just had more charges brought a few days ago I belive.

Yeah, I know. There's already been one attempt to remove him after the DUI charge was leaked. Like the decertification attempt with us, this is likely to go nowhere.

 

[EthelAnne]

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Weren't you the one posting about city carriers (and by extension, rural carriers) were going to get 20% increases? You were one of the ones who bought into that rumor, so not sure what you're laughing about now. In case you forgot, here's your posts:

 

[EthelAnne]

It was the city carriers union that allowed that crap in. The second pay table was not made in any shape or form by rural carrier s

I believe it was the APWU (the clerks/custodians union) that first agreed to it. And I think they agreed in exchange for no layoffs during the Great Recession (for those of us around at that time, this was a huge concern), but yeah, it's a good reminder that once one of the unions agrees to something so favorable to the USPS, it's impossible to keep the provision out of the other contracts.