No more LWOP

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Local POOM has issued to the area that LWOP is no longer an option. With my other job, I need LWOP. Can the poom issue this order? My route has never been undelivered do to me taking LWOP, I would only take it if my route was covered.

I looked in the current contract and could not find anything with this type of leave. Saw info on sick and annual leave.

I will have to burn a bunch of sick leave, now they can pay me and the sub. Postal logic.

I bet there will be a problem with taking to many sick days, let alone sick days in a row.

 

[justacarrier]

Local POOM has issued to the area that LWOP is no longer an option. With my other job, I need LWOP. Can the poom issue this order? My route has never been undelivered do to me taking LWOP, I would only take it if my route was covered.

I looked in the current contract and could not find anything with this type of leave. Saw info on sick and annual leave.

I will have to burn a bunch of sick leave, now they can pay me and the sub. Postal logic.

I bet there will be a problem with taking to many sick days, let alone sick days in a row.

You can't take sick leave to work another job. You have a contractual right to LWOP on Saturdays as long as there is a relief carrier available. Beyond that LWOP is at the discretion of management unless it's FMLA. Just FYI this is from the ELM:
514.25 Other Employment
LWOP is not granted for the purpose of enabling an employee to “try out” or
to accept other employment.

 

[gotstamps]

Certain situations allow for us to choose LWOP over other leave. Saturday is our choice if a sub is available.
Bereavement Leave is another situation where it is the Carrier’s choice.
Then there’s also OWCP- LWOP and Union-LWOP.

This “rule” goes right along with the # of days in a row rule. It’s a load a BS and could be a violation of our contract depending …

 

[Old Fart]

You can't take sick leave to work another job. You have a contractual right to LWOP on Saturdays as long as there is a relief carrier available. Beyond that LWOP is at the discretion of management unless it's FMLA. Just FYI this is from the ELM:
514.25 Other Employment
LWOP is not granted for the purpose of enabling an employee to “try out” or
to accept other employment.

For denial of Saturday LWOP contact your union DR. As noted above, FMLA allows for your discretion of using AL, SL, or LWOP. It's tough to qualify for FMLA because of "another job."

I suppose you'd have to have a condition verified by your physician and approved by USPS using DOL guidelines that you can't perform duties of USPS job but can for your other job (example, maybe if your other job allows you to work seated)

I'm stretching here, I really doubt this could be a reality.

 

[Soccer Playing Carrier]

Are you aware that taking LWOP hurts your benefits. You begin to lose time for future sick pay, vacation pay, and retirement. Just be aware that it can have negative effects for you if this is something you are sticking with long term. No judgement that may be the right thing for you but just be aware there are personal consequences to that choice.

 

[Rt2mailman]

How many days per pay period are you "needing" to work this other job? Are these days able to be scheduled in advance? Is there enough Rcas In your office to work for you when you need these days to work your other job, and will this place them into their weekly overtime?
Any carrier can use LWOP at their managers discretion, if relief carriers are available. You always can put in for annual leave and change it to LWOP after your manager approves the annual leave, because his approval of your annual leave shows there is sufficient Rcas available to work for you on the give day requested.
Remember, using >10 days of LWOP removes a day of annual leave for every 10 days used.

 

[justacarrier]

How many days per pay period are you "needing" to work this other job? Are these days able to be scheduled in advance? Is there enough Rcas In your office to work for you when you need these days to work your other job, and will this place them into their weekly overtime?
Any carrier can use LWOP at their managers discretion, if relief carriers are available. You always can put in for annual leave and change it to LWOP after your manager approves the annual leave, because his approval of your annual leave shows there is sufficient Rcas available to work for you on the give day requested.
Remember, using >10 days of LWOP removes a day of annual leave for every 10 days used.

Problem with that would be that when you change it to LWOP they could cancel your leave. The provision protecting approved leave only applies to annual leave. They would be completely within their rights to cancel LWOP. Remember that outside of the limited provision that have been stated in this string that LWOP is at the discretion of management. As far as effects of using LWOP, 12 days on H, 11 days on J and 10 days on K routes will cause you to loose the AL you are advanced for each PP based on the amount you earn. Also, if you exceed 130 days in a year it will begin to effect your retirement.

 

[neciat]

Give this a look .

https://ruralinfo.net/shared-files/104116716/?LWOP-effect-on-saved-leave.pdf

and attached.

 

[Missed a scan]

Local POOM has issued to the area that LWOP is no longer an option. With my other job, I need LWOP. Can the poom issue this order? My route has never been undelivered do to me taking LWOP, I would only take it if my route was covered.

I looked in the current contract and could not find anything with this type of leave. Saw info on sick and annual leave.

I will have to burn a bunch of sick leave, now they can pay me and the sub. Postal logic.

I bet there will be a problem with taking to many sick days, let alone sick days in a row.

A little more info, I was not sure how much I should post, but here it goes.

My other job is farming. Need some days in the following seasons, planting, in April and May, spraying in June, harvest in September and October.

I am aware of losing vacation days with lwop, and am good with that.

I have used 30 to 40 a year. Always had coverage for my route. If no coverage, then I do my route.

As of now, we have enough subs for the routes. 2 full routes and 1 auxiliary route.

 

[justacarrier]

A little more info, I was not sure how much I should post, but here it goes.

My other job is farming. Need some days in the following seasons, planting, in April and May, spraying in June, harvest in September and October.

I am aware of losing vacation days with lwop, and am good with that.

I have used 30 to 40 a year. Always had coverage for my route. If no coverage, then I do my route.

As of now, we have enough subs for the routes. 2 full routes and 1 auxiliary route.

That does shed a light on your situation. I think years ago that what you were doing would have met with very little pushback and they would do their best to help you out. But today's PO is not the PO of years ago. Might be why management above your PM is getting involved. In the end you have a RIGHT to LWOP on Saturdays and you can use that to your advantage. I'm assuming you have Sat as your K day at this time, ask to change your K day to Monday and then you would create a possibility of 52 additional LWOP days on Saturdays. Just a thought, but in the end in your situation, management has a right to not allow LWOP outside of Saturday.

 

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That does shed a light on your situation. I think years ago that what you were doing would have met with very little pushback and they would do their best to help you out. But today's PO is not the PO of years ago. Might be why management above your PM is getting involved. In the end you have a RIGHT to LWOP on Saturdays and you can use that to your advantage. I'm assuming you have Sat as your K day at this time, ask to change your K day to Monday and then you would create a possibility of 52 additional LWOP days on Saturdays. Just a thought, but in the end in your situation, management has a right to not allow LWOP outside of Saturday.

FYI, my K day is Monday.

 

[justacarrier]

FYI, my K day is Monday.

Then for sure do not allow them to deny your LWOP on Saturday!! Initiate a grievance immediately if they try. Hopefully your PM will not be vindictive and force you back to Sat K day.