Last mms we didn’t get any credit for hold mail until it was delivered beyond the dps standard. This time around we get credit that day as raw and raw again when delivered if during mms.
NRLCA releases LOU on Step 4 Closed Business or School
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FrozenToes
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Yeah, I don't read it that way. Good for you.
EthelAnne
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@Worve @43 months
I have a copy of the stand up and you are correct. I can't believe it! The LOU states nothing about resident holds, it specifically states repeatedly closed schools/businesses holds—here's the exact quote from the USPS stand up
I have a copy of the stand up and you are correct. I can't believe it! The LOU states nothing about resident holds, it specifically states repeatedly closed schools/businesses holds—here's the exact quote from the USPS stand up
- Letters pulled from DPS for hold mail or closed school/business will be counted as “Random Letters” during the Mini Mail Survey; UNSCANPARCEL activity scan will not be used in relation to hold mail or closed school/business letters pulled from DPS during the Mini Mail Survey or throughout the year
EthelAnne
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Yeah-- gotta love it. /s in case someone does not get my tone.
The Director of Labor Relations is spinning this as a "win"--I can't tell if she's just dressing up the sh*t sandwich or if she really does not understand how we're being compensated.
We absolutely have lost all UNSCANPARCEL credit for holds--we gained nothing. We already got DOORMISC if we took it to the door.
She was a steward as an rca, a state steward as an rca. She has never actually worked a rt Asa regular in 30 years. She has huge gaps in her understanding. And she is not the brightest bulb.
This is why I so hoped someone, anyone, would challenge her.
We need smarter, critical thinkers. We are devolving into lower case grunts. Unless the board actually prefer s#/! Sandwiches, which I hadn't considered until this moment.
EthelAnne
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I don’t know if she’s any dumber than the rest of them but all of the people—and that includes full time DRs and ADRs—that have not dealt hands in with RRECS have a very poor understanding of it and aren’t equipped to challenge the USPS positions effectively.
Even if they could effectively argue our positions, I don’t know how much good it would do. All of the federal employee unions are weak and I’m beginning to wonder what their value is. All we can accept is what the government offers. Absent the ability to strike, the government just says no to our demands.
USPS: “No more UNSCANPARCEL credit for holds.”
NRLCA: “OK.”
EthelAnne
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I can’t edit my previous post, but I want to add here what the LOU that Ronnie signed says: “ Effective with the next Mini Mail Survey, if DPS letter mail is received for a closed school or business, whether cased or taken to the street, each piece will be credited as a random letter mail piece on the day the mail is received.”
Yup I have the copy of it myself, PM specifically mentioned holds count as well. I’m not pushing the issue now holding off for a bit to let them simmer down. Everyone else in office heard it as well, but I will be getting it in writing and signed. Push comes to shove we can have a stand up about the stand up and put them on the spot. ( I might like confrontation a bit to much)
Voglio-il mio
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This LOU is just another example of the quality of the Board Members, its a simple comparison of a business/school closed being the equivalent of a customer hold. Now the battle will begin unless this is clarified in writing. PM for the most part will take this as verbatim instead of using that thing on their shoulders to reason this out. We might as well write up the dispute on this today because you know it going to rear its ugly hear again during the Mini Mail Survey.
Voglio-il mio
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Was your stand up a printed document (stating that it includes Holds), if so could you share it with the rest of us, so we have it if we need to dispute.
I brought up the "issue" this morning with our supervisor. I handed her ANOTHER copy of the MOU and let her know that customer holds WERE NOT specifically stated. She said she was going to ask for clarification from District regarding distinguishing customer hold mail from closed school / business hold mail. I also let her know that this issue would be yet ANOTHER grievance / dispute issue and we haven't even started the mms yet.
Voglio-il mio
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Unfortunately we haven't had it yet. Our PM is on detail & OIC hasn't got around to it yet. But that another story all together.
We received the stand up that did not mention holds ourselves. PM unknowingly also included holds which was not on the stand up. So if you can get a copy of one that specifically states holds are to be included. It would make I believe all of our lives a little easier.
Voglio-il mio
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Someone just sent me a copy of the stand up it does specify Holds, so I thinks we should be without conflict now with having it in writing. Thanks
I received your tone loud and clear. I believe the rough draft of the MOU that was released read like this ;
This letter will serve to further confirm that both parties, as always in our arrogant nature, will totally ignore, override, and disregard the Step 4 regarding parcel credit for letter mail pieces pulled from DPS mail for closed businesses and schools.
After much deliberation, both parties have agreed that the rural craft has not suffered enough devastating financial losses , including but in no way, shape or form limited to, loss of weekly pay, loss of Social Security contributions AND the matching contributions from the employer, loss of contributions to TSP as well as a loss in the amount of matching contributions from the employer, reduction in the values of annual and sick leave, and the loss of relief day(s).
In keeping with the time honored tradition of working together as a cohesive unit, both parties agree that eight (8) pieces or more pulled from DPS letter mail for a closed business or school , whether cased or taken to the street , will NO LONGER be credited as a parcel. Both parties agree to reserve the right to further examine any and all RRECS established / engineered , we mean negotiated , standards and work together to further undermine any and all credits that may benefit the rural craft so that we can continue to abolish, eliminate, and decimate ANY standard(s) upon which the rural carrier has even a chance to realize a gain.
Yep, apparently they all suck at reading comprehension. Any DPS letter not delivered would count as random on the day it was taken to the street anyways. It still stands only flat sized items may be removed as credit from daily numbers. You used to get dps count and parcel for anything 8 or more pieces for a hold. Now it's just piece count and loss of parcel credit. And she's selling it like a win. I've started thinking of the board as little kid sales people with their outrageous lies to that they don't think anyone will notice.
It helps mitigate the fury if you think of them that way...rather than a professional labor representative collective.
opens the door to all of those items with no barcode. We get tons of Shutterfly, year book photos, diplomas, just general first class documents that say do not bend. No barcode what so ever, some fits in boxes some doesn’t. Is this next to be cut and done away with for proper credit? At what point will anything without a barcode just be more free work we don’t get credited for? Is that the entire long game of usps right now, and union just can’t see it?
FrozenToes
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I guess I view it differently. I have a business with a box that can fit two tubs. So I can easily fit even very large parcels. I lose that to the door credit. I have never used unscan parcel there. When casing I throw the mail into the tub. I can peel off flats/letters in seconds. Easily beating the standards.Yes. Agreed.
Both sides agree a parcel is anything with a barcode.
They are having a problem coming up with a definition of unscannable because neither party has had the ability be a Carrier trying to figure this out for themselves on the fly.
I am comfortable understanding that my time spent performing a task needs to be credited.
So for hat it's worth, this is how I have defined unscannable for myself.
1.Whether I have to sort the item into a spr tray or place it in cargo.....could be a variable amount of reasons why. Dont try and define these reasons because you will limit and do harm to the Carrier if you try. Leave this for local management and Carriers to define.
Let local grievances get filed. Wouldn't the defense in support of an unscannable come back to, was the action to handle an item as an unscannable parcel necessary? This process begins in the office.
2. If I receive the item in my parcel tub or pumpkin.
Nothing else needs put on paper at this point in time.
JUST to point out. A Carrier in my office has schools that have huge country mailboxes. She bundles the hold mail and carries it separate (not sure if tub or spr tray) She can fit two days of mail in the mailbox. She was doing unscannable to box. So now with the LOU instead of just delivering it into the box and getting credit for the unscannable to the box she should walk in and get door credit
It's just stupid that to get full credit for her efforts in office she needs to do more work on the street. And then ultimately receive more credit than she would have if this would have just never come up.
We Carriers aren't the ones that chose to put the office time credit in with the delivery scan credit. We also shouldn't be the ones sacrificing our credits because the system that was put in place isn't a fair assessment of time spent.
Old evaluated I had 20 plus scanned items counted as letters or flats. Now anything with a barcode is a parcel. I'm not worried about all of this unscan business.
Unscan to mailbox equals .1671 to box + .2367 organize = .4038 or 24 seconds. Take a little longer loading/EOS or take a spur to the door done.
The usps hope is to do away with any unscanparcel credit to any receptacle or destination
SilverHair
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I liken it to 4th grade bully on the playground taking advantage of smaller 1st grader who hasn’t learned the value of money.
4th grader to 1st grader: “See this big shiny nickel? See how much bigger it is than that dime you have? Must be worth waaaay more since it is so much larger. Because I like you sooo much, I’m willing to trade you my nickel for your dime.”
First grader is sold on this trickery and does the trade, losing half the value of their money.
Problem for rural carriers is the “adults” who were supposed to be monitoring the playground to prevent this sort of chicanery, are actually the 1st graders getting duped.
Or another scenario:
4th grader to 1st grader: “Give me all your lunch money, or I’ll beat you up!”
First grader fears the beating, so hands over their lunch money. All that is visibly seen is a loss to the first grader since there was nothing tangible that was received in return for the loss of lunch money.
Rural carriers received nothing out of this LOU. When negotiating, aren’t both sides supposed to compromise?
I think P.O. is going to continue to take advantage of our inadequate and incompetent leaders just like the unmonitored and unrestrained 4th grade bully on the playground.
