Overtime MOU going away Feb 21st
- Thread starter Jjf133
- Start date
Beanut
Well-known member
Don’t worry they will sign a new MOU likely the following day. As they have been doing everytime it expires
Last edited:
damifiknow
Well-known member
what is this about?
NorthernPines
Well-known member
I presume it's in reference to the ongoing MOU allowing regular carriers to volunteer to assist other routes.
Link
Active member
Article attached below
Attachments
jaymacgthree
Well-known member
They are happy to sign a new MOU rather than fight for wages that will make it possible to hire subs. Just work your regulars to death, no big deal. 
Honestly what should have happened with that MOU.
I will say during COVID and maybe year or so until end of 2021 roughly. I 100% understood and got why it was signed and agreed with it. But every time it has been signed since it is just worse and worse. Screwing RCA over. Keeping wages low and so on.
But starting in 2022, there should have been additional penalties for continuous renewal of this MOU.
Starts at double pay. Next time time it goes to 2.5 times pay or triple pay. Maybe then they would actually hire some people. Why should we bail out on their failing??
I will say during COVID and maybe year or so until end of 2021 roughly. I 100% understood and got why it was signed and agreed with it. But every time it has been signed since it is just worse and worse. Screwing RCA over. Keeping wages low and so on.
But starting in 2022, there should have been additional penalties for continuous renewal of this MOU.
Starts at double pay. Next time time it goes to 2.5 times pay or triple pay. Maybe then they would actually hire some people. Why should we bail out on their failing??
The PO is wearing down its workforce because bigwigs dont want to spend to hire & then actually invest in the hourly employees.They are happy to sign a new MOU rather than fight for wages that will make it possible to hire subs. Just work your regulars to death, no big deal.
Rt2mailman
Well-known member
It’s voluntary, why would the regulars be “working to death”?They are happy to sign a new MOU rather than fight for wages that will make it possible to hire subs. Just work your regulars to death, no big deal.
Some in my office with small routes were happy to get the extra $
It is not always voluntary and many choose not to stand up because they need the job. Secondly guilt tripping is a favorite weapon used in many cases. If you don’t help the subs will have to do it all and will be out all night long. It is over all imo very harmful to our craft it removes all blame from management for not managing properly.
You know the paltry increases will keep happening
Rt2mailman
Well-known member
It really shouldn’t, if the regulars have some sort of a backbone and or knowledge of the contract. If a pm retaliates for not volunteering, it’s not volunteering, retaliation is also contrary to the contract. If management still mandates then they will have to pay that regular 150%+. Rcas will NOT stay out ALL NIGHT, because they have a National Labor rule that they cannot be forced to work over 12 hours/day.
Sounds like it’s time for the supervisor and pm to suit up and show those carriers how wonderful they really are.
jaymacgthree
Well-known member
Exactly! Well said, many of us try to get along and be team players and you genuinely feel bad for those getting the short end of the stick.
justacarrier
Well-known member
Pretty sure it will NOT be renewed.
That is no penalty for mandating. Any Route evaluated over 40 hours a week, which should be virtually every route, will already deserve 150% for hours worked over 40 hours.
I don't think they should sign any MOU's, BUT if they do they have to get something
The contract says, paraphrase,
carriers should not exceed 2080 hours in a year..
carriers should not exceed 2240 hours in a year..
Under both cases it spells out what will happen if carriers exceed the benchmark.
Likewise -
Any new MOU should say it is only voluntary, in the event carriers are mandated in violation of the MOU agreement they will be paid at 200% of the normal wage, 300% every time if mandated over 9 times in the carrier year or duration of the MOU
You are nearing the end of your career is my guess. Many are not and completely depend on the income of the job. Many also still remember what it was like as a sub, it’s brutal, down right slave labor in some areas. Not everyone is willing to take the consequences or can live without a paycheck until everything grievance wise gets sorted. I applaud offices like yours, but realize for every one like yours 5 more exist on the complete opposite spectrum. This mou just allows usps to get away with even more and is without a doubt harmful.
Rt2mailman
Well-known member
The MOU could be written better as stated by Hunchback, but it currently does not allow for mandating regulars. If carriers in these other offices, you mention, don’t eventually stand up for themselves, they will be swabbing out toilets next.
I’ve dealt with pms that were the “worst ever”, then we got one worse than that. You have to fight back in every aspect of life or you will “follow orders” and eventually be shooting people in the back of the head and covering them over in trenches because you “Have to follow orders”.
I just can’t believe AMERICAN RURAL carriers, usually being from farming communities and areas, aren’t able to stand up for themselves against the Ogre types in management.
Yes I’m nearing the end of my career, but I have fought off ridiculous attempts at management since my third year of service, when I desperately needed this job, and had a family to care for.
Get a life people, you’ll have time to be pansies when you retire.
Link
Active member
2 months as a regular for me and already fought off numerous attempts from mgmt. They think I’m unaware or uneducated on our contract but some regulars of 10+ years joke that I know more than they do and should be shop steward from all the research that I do(not interested). I try and educate everyone in our office, subs and regulars on improper operating procedures from mgmt whenever a scenario arises.
Totally Agree.
I will say this though.
Discipline is supposed to be progressive.
I think the union took away the progressive nature of discipline by allowing on paper suspensions.
If management had to lose the service of a carrier for 7 or 14 days maybe they wouldn't even consider playing the direct order = discipline game. Another way I think the union made it easier on management
