POLL: New Contract VOTE!!!!

[gerl2]

Time will tell... but my prediction is.... most voters will vote for what they think will benefit them personally, in the short term... and I think most will want the $$$$ payback and COLAs as quickly as they can get it.... but, maybe you're right and others will vote on what is best for others, rather than themselves... we'll see...

ME ME ME ME ME I am voting what is best for others and not thinking of myself, I would love to stay for more years but this miserable job is making me run to the exit, I don't want others to feel this way, why are you retiring cooper? Are you running to the exit too?

 

[gotstamps]

At one time, as stated in the original MOU.... there was supposed to be a mailcount preceding the implementation of RRECS... seems maybe they're gonna skip that....

The “mail count” would likely happen but its a mini-count & really doesn’t include much since the majority of info is scanner data. Just measurements & raw mail pitched by clerks. No timing of anything since the scanner will do that year-round.

 

[DB.Cooper]

ME ME ME ME ME I am voting what is best for others and not thinking of myself, I would love to stay for more years but this miserable job is making me run to the exit, I don't want others to feel this way, why are you retiring cooper? Are you running to the exit too?

I guess I'm just saying human nature is often short sighted... when the NRLCA is advertising THOUSAND of $$$$ dollars in backpay and COLAs as part of their announcement of the tentative contract... that's a strategy, not an accident... almost as good as a signing bonus, or Covid hazard pay bonus, without the extra costs..... USPS is good at shell games, and NRLCA is their accomplice...

 

[DB.Cooper]

The “mail count” would likely happen but its a mini-count & really doesn’t include much since the majority of info is scanner data. Just measurements & raw mail pitched by clerks. No timing of anything since the scanner will do that year-round.

The 2012 MOU stated in para 5... The revised Evaluated Compensation System will be effective with the next scheduled mail count.

So, I guess that could mean many things... and probably different to different people...

Plus, they Wang-dangle everything to suit their needs anyways...

 

[gerl2]

I guess I'm just saying human nature is often short sighted... when the NRLCA is advertising THOUSAND of $$$$ dollars in backpay and COLAs as part of their announcement of the tentative contract... that's a strategy, not an accident... almost as good as a signing bonus, or Covid hazard pay bonus, without the extra costs..... USPS is good at shell games, and NRLCA is their accomplice...

Sorry all I've seen is Cooper sold his soul from this blah blah hahahaha

 

[Casca]

Ronnie stated that carriers were not happy with the current leave procedures. Who knows where he obtained this info.

Ronnie probably had a family member who couldn’t get leave approved under the current procedures so he fixed it for them.

 

[Quivo]

It's the endless cycle of 'oops the contract's been expired for over a year, you better vote yes to get your backpay as soon as possible even though the contract sucks' repeat, repeat, until we never get a good contract and people don't realize the union is complicit with the USPS in screwing us and using the COLA backpays as bait.

 

[timetogo]

Ronnie stated that carriers were not happy with the current leave procedures. Who knows where he obtained this info.
Leave is already abused by management. File,file,file..
Leave is sometimes abused by carriers filling out leave slips way out in advance. Right now it's a race to whomever fills out the slip first.
What do you suggest for leave procedures?

This is what happens in my office with the other 2 crafts.
City side picks for the year in January when their leave is loaded. They pick by seniority in weekly increments by seniority.
Clerks pick every 6 months by seniority in weekly increments.
These unions make sure the members DO receive their benefit of leave.
Now it does get out of hand if a rural carrier was putting in leave years in advance to hog the best days. My office doesn’t go farther than a year out.
I believe the reason the union agreed to this is because many offices do not have the relief carriers to grant ANY leave. So this is their unbelievable way of fixing it.
It is nobodys business where we are going or doing on our vacation. And now to have leave approved more than 2 months in advance you have to be spending money and going somewhere they DEEM is worthy. This is the worst. I have my leave approved for the year and retire next year thank God.

 

[gotstamps]

Disagree
When you pass the calendar it is for entire weeks. Yes, you can cancel days later but you can't put in for two days here, three days there, etc...
Again, I'm not sure this was an issue important enough for this contract when there are so many other things up in the air. USPS wanted to take something away from us and NRLCA just said ok.

It is a big issue in larger offices & where a loss of RCAs has been a major factor along with so many taken out with COVID. 60 days is plenty of time to plan & if denied, file & complete the grievance process. Any less could be difficult to win. I can’t tell you how many people have said that their office has a 45-day policy yet they don’t fight it for fear of retaliation. This is a win for those offices.
I don’t care for the ”Calendar for the year” method as it’s not always fair & too hard to decide what I want to do that far in advance.
The Regs did get one thing out of this & it‘s that Seniority wins when multiple 3971s are submitted in the same day. If you find out that a sub put in to be off on a day you wanted, submit your slip the same day & you get it over them. Got a Junior Reg who is a real “jerk” & bump him when he decides to submit leave with your own leave slip.

 

[DB.Cooper]

Sorry all I've seen is Cooper sold his soul from this blah blah hahahaha

Well, let's not lose sight of the forest for the trees.. it's really not about me... even tho, I do like the attention...

 

[DB.Cooper]

It's the endless cycle of 'oops the contract's been expired for over a year, you better vote yes to get your backpay as soon as possible even though the contract sucks' repeat, repeat, until we never get a good contract and people don't realize the union is complicit with the USPS in screwing us and using the COLA backpays as bait.

It absolutely is a strategy... and an effective one, that's why they keep using it... and why they'll never give COLAs during expired contract periods... even tho they should....

 

[DB.Cooper]

It is a big issue in larger offices & where a loss of RCAs has been a major factor along with so many taken out with COVID. 60 days is plenty of time to plan & if denied, file & complete the grievance process. Any less could be difficult to win. I can’t tell you how many people have said that their office has a 45-day policy yet they don’t fight it for fear of retaliation. This is a win for those offices.
I don’t care for the ”Calendar for the year” method as it’s not always fair & too hard to decide what I want to do that far in advance.
The Regs did get one thing out of this & it‘s that Seniority wins when multiple 3971s are submitted in the same day. If you find out that a sub put in to be off on a day you wanted, submit your slip the same day & you get it over them. Got a Junior Reg who is a real “jerk” & bump him when he decides to submit leave with your own leave slip.

Leave is a big issue if you've routinely found it hard to get... otherwise, probably not a biggie for you.... hard to tell how many this will register with.... same with the change to the order of consideration for DACA 5s & 3s...

 

[ibd1]

In principle, the 60 day issue is funked up.. . For me personally tho, I've really never had a problem getting leave or time off when I needed it... and obviously, as I'm heading out the door, it's not a big issue for me...

I take it your not in an office that is. consistently ten to fifteen carriers short everyday. In our office getting a day off is like pulling teeth which incidentally is not a good enough reason to get time off. We have regular carriers taking two rows of other routes everyday. I'm not on the RDWL but have not had a K day since October and the only reason I got it off was because of 2080 issues. Many days management tells those assisting on other routes to take DPS and packages only. There is an incentive to make sure to not call in and that's double work the next day. We have been a formula office for as long as I remember so those just coming in may NEVER see weekends off.

 

[DB.Cooper]

I take it your not in an office that is. consistently ten to fifteen carriers short everyday. In our office getting a day off is like pulling teeth which incidentally is not a good enough reason to get time off. We have regular carriers taking two rows of other routes everyday. I'm not on the RDWL but have not had a K day since October and the only reason I got it off was because of 2080 issues. Many days management tells those assisting on other routes to take DPS and packages only. There is an incentive to make sure to not call in and that's double work the next day. We have been a formula office for as long as I remember so those just coming in may NEVER see weekends off.

I guess we'd have to analyze what type of offices MOST rural carriers are in... I'm guessing the majority are not in really big offices... I think I saw the breakdown, once upon a time.... but, staffing shortages are spreading about everywhere nowadays... still not sure most will view the leave changes as a big deal... some will, but not sure how many....

 

[ibd1]

And by the way I'm pretty sure I'm voting yes because we can't strike. If we could strike we could have real changes. The reason we can't strike is so we can't be let go but how the heck could we be let go as short staffed as we are. If we could could strike then we could have major changes, changes that could make this job appealing again that could mean we could be let go. Kind of like a merry go round.

 

[neciat]

Don't think for a second that free Saturdays won't come into play. Maybe not THIS time around but it WILL. You gotta play the long game here. Every move the PO makes is a chess move. Maybe the TOTAL cost of the damage isn't realized NOW but down the road..........................you will find yourself wondering what hit you. Don't take my word for it. Anyone, RCA or regular with double digit years in , just look back at the erosion of EVERYTHING from raises, to standards, to criteria, etc. Play the long game here even if you are not going to be around.

 

[ATCBigE]

Leave it the way it is or at minimum take out the seniority factor and leave it as first come first served, seniority shouldn't be a factor in who gets a day off. You snooze you lose if you didn't put in for it. This removes the favoritism factor by management and the ability for carriers with more seniority to consistently put in for leave and getting it off while a carrier with less seniority is scrambling for scraps. This craft is turning into more and more of a caste system and there is no need to pit people against each other like that.

In my office in particular I have a supervisor who believes leave should be issued based on seniority and a rash of seniority driven regular carriers who believe they are owed something. It was to the point where there was an office leave book passed around every year. I filed multiple grievances to absolve this mindset. Carriers with less seniority were finally able to get time off and moral overall improved in the office.

I would be ok with it if they were using it to pick a week of vacation that was important to them but instead they used it to put in ALL their time off for the year. Carriers with less seniority in my office couldn't put in for time off or get holidays they wanted because it was already taken. My office will go back to this where less seniority carriers were left bitter and frustrated.

I also would remove the requirement that "documentation may be required" it's MY leave I earned it in exchange for working for USPS, I alone will determine how and what it is used for. It's not up to management to determine if MY vacation is important enough to recieve an approval in advance or not because it is important to ME.

I agree with your idea here.

Everyone has vacation time usually picked out. Carriers should be able to put in vacation, wedding, weekend getaway, etc.

This at least allows for schedules to be somewhat set ahead of time. But after that the leave shouldn't be put in.

 

[gerl2]

Don't think for a second that free Saturdays won't come into play. Maybe not THIS time around but it WILL. You gotta play the long game here. Every move the PO makes is a chess move. Maybe the TOTAL cost of the damage isn't realized NOW but down the road..........................you will find yourself wondering what hit you. Don't take my word for it. Anyone, RCA or regular with double digit years in , just look back at the erosion of EVERYTHING from raises, to standards, to criteria, etc. Play the long game here even if you are not going to be around.

Very well said and very true

 

[DB.Cooper]

Don't think for a second that free Saturdays won't come into play. Maybe not THIS time around but it WILL. You gotta play the long game here. Every move the PO makes is a chess move. Maybe the TOTAL cost of the damage isn't realized NOW but down the road..........................you will find yourself wondering what hit you. Don't take my word for it. Anyone, RCA or regular with double digit years in , just look back at the erosion of EVERYTHING from raises, to standards, to criteria, etc. Play the long game here even if you are not going to be around.

I've seen them say there's one day you can't have, just to dink peeps out of a free Saturday...

Still believe most will vote for short term gains, and not worry so much about the long game...

 

[gerl2]

Facebook has a poll going, overwhelming NO on it too. Must be a lot of tired ornery overworked folks that are not too happy with the contract.