Rca flat tire
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heyman1104
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Depends on if it's a LLV route or a POV route. LLV route, the RCA should be paid on a form 1314A (Green card). POV route, no pay and no assistance getting it changed.
hojo -- POV or LLV?
-- From the March 2014 issue of the NRCLA magazine's Question Box section.
-- When an LLV breaks down, a regular carrier gets "O" Time, which accumulates through out a career. Once 8 hours of "O" time is accumulated, a releif day will be granted. Just be sure to note the time ( usually from when one first calls the post office ( whether anyone picks up or not ) until you are back on the road again ) on the 4240 and make copies as 8 hours of "O" Time usually takes a long to to accumulate.
-- RCA's, on the other hand, get compensated for actual time via the Form 1314-A Auxiliary Time Certificate. Also note the time on the 4240.
As far as POV's -- manglement will probably say "That's what EMA is for". Anyone??
"Supervisor said to write it down as break."
-- If an LLV, certianly NOT!
-- If a POV, sorry.
-- From the March 2014 issue of the NRCLA magazine's Question Box section.
-- When an LLV breaks down, a regular carrier gets "O" Time, which accumulates through out a career. Once 8 hours of "O" time is accumulated, a releif day will be granted. Just be sure to note the time ( usually from when one first calls the post office ( whether anyone picks up or not ) until you are back on the road again ) on the 4240 and make copies as 8 hours of "O" Time usually takes a long to to accumulate.
-- RCA's, on the other hand, get compensated for actual time via the Form 1314-A Auxiliary Time Certificate. Also note the time on the 4240.
As far as POV's -- manglement will probably say "That's what EMA is for". Anyone??
"Supervisor said to write it down as break."
-- If an LLV, certianly NOT!
-- If a POV, sorry.
gotstamps
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In a POV, you are NOT paid for 'break-downs'. LLVs get as listed above ^^. It's not fair, I know, but LLV routes are at the mercy of a gov't paid tow or waiting for another LLV. In a POV, you should have a spare (LLVs don't) and can repair & go. We also are NOT to do any repairs on LLVs unless approved by mgmt. I always carried an emergency repair kit in my POV & could 'fix' the problem faster than waiting on AAA.
Never write anything down as a break...unless it's an actual break.
If you are in a POV, write down "flat tire" or "vehicle breakdown" in the comment section of the 4240 to cover yourself for the additional time you are on the route. You eat the time. Unless, of course, it pushes you over 40. Then congratulations on the OT. (as an RCA. as a regular, you are sol)
p.s. send a text via your scanner to the mothership advising that you are broke down/have a flat to cya. Do not use your cell phone. Unless you like giving the PO stuff for free.
If you are in a POV, write down "flat tire" or "vehicle breakdown" in the comment section of the 4240 to cover yourself for the additional time you are on the route. You eat the time. Unless, of course, it pushes you over 40. Then congratulations on the OT. (as an RCA. as a regular, you are sol)
p.s. send a text via your scanner to the mothership advising that you are broke down/have a flat to cya. Do not use your cell phone. Unless you like giving the PO stuff for free.
If the RCA is made to put down a break for something that has happened on the route and that an LLV carrier would not have to put down a break for, then that would be a grievance, not to mention falsification of records. If OT is withheld because of a vehicle breakdown, etc., then I would advise the RCA to contact the ADR.
The RCA may want to do that anyway...and advise the ADR that he/she is being told to falsify records by recording a break which did not happen. If you have a good ADR, the stupe will get a phone call or a visit.
The RCA may want to do that anyway...and advise the ADR that he/she is being told to falsify records by recording a break which did not happen. If you have a good ADR, the stupe will get a phone call or a visit.
dhoward541
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I have always written down "car trouble" in the information line and how much time it took; 1. because sometimes it was more than the 30 minutes we were allowed for a break and 2. lots of times I had already taken a break when my car broke down.
gotstamps
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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>dhoward541 said </strong>
I have always written down "car trouble" in the information line and how much time it took; 1. because sometimes it was more than the 30 minutes we were allowed for a break and 2. lots of times I had already taken a break when my car broke down. </blockquote>
Correct. You have to back up why your "break" was so long. But in order to NOT get paid for that 'breakdown", it either has to be put in the 'break' or shorten the actual time that you 'return' from route.
I have always written down "car trouble" in the information line and how much time it took; 1. because sometimes it was more than the 30 minutes we were allowed for a break and 2. lots of times I had already taken a break when my car broke down. </blockquote>
Correct. You have to back up why your "break" was so long. But in order to NOT get paid for that 'breakdown", it either has to be put in the 'break' or shorten the actual time that you 'return' from route.
olewhatshername
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I know of a route in a nearby town .....this is not hearsay .....the carrier told me "Oh, the Postmaster MAKES me take a 30 minutes lunch each day". When I ask why and ask it she actually takes a break .....she said "NO....I am slow, my route is to big and the Postmaster makes me take a 30 minute lunch so I don't go over my time."
WRONG ....you don't falsify government records for any reason.....if you take a break write it down, flat tire write it down as a flat time, stop for gas write it down, please be accurate and honest. Remember your scanner is keeping a very accurate bread crumb trail of all your daily doings. Also, your scanner has a texting feature....to CYA and make a record (most important) if you run into a problem on your route that you feel may become a problem later.....just text in using your scanner. Now you may say....but it is late and no one is in the office to receive the text....not your problem...you have done your due diligence.
WRONG ....you don't falsify government records for any reason.....if you take a break write it down, flat tire write it down as a flat time, stop for gas write it down, please be accurate and honest. Remember your scanner is keeping a very accurate bread crumb trail of all your daily doings. Also, your scanner has a texting feature....to CYA and make a record (most important) if you run into a problem on your route that you feel may become a problem later.....just text in using your scanner. Now you may say....but it is late and no one is in the office to receive the text....not your problem...you have done your due diligence.
Deer Smearer
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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>hojo said </strong>
Oi veh. So if that hour she was down puts her over 40 then she would get paid overtime or if she works over 40 without that hour? Don't see how that time could be counted? </blockquote>
Let's say it's a 45k... 9 hours evaluation per day.
RCA works exactly 8.000000 hours each day for 5 days or 40.00000 hours.
No breakdown = 45 hours straight time pay.
1 hour breakdown but still 40.00000 hours = 46 hours straight time pay.
40.0000000 hours running route and 1 hour ( or even as little as 1 minute ) = 40 hours straight time + 1 hour overtime.
Oi veh. So if that hour she was down puts her over 40 then she would get paid overtime or if she works over 40 without that hour? Don't see how that time could be counted? </blockquote>
Let's say it's a 45k... 9 hours evaluation per day.
RCA works exactly 8.000000 hours each day for 5 days or 40.00000 hours.
No breakdown = 45 hours straight time pay.
1 hour breakdown but still 40.00000 hours = 46 hours straight time pay.
40.0000000 hours running route and 1 hour ( or even as little as 1 minute ) = 40 hours straight time + 1 hour overtime.
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>heyman1104 said </strong>
Depends on if it's a LLV route or a POV route. LLV route, the RCA should be paid on a form 1314A (Green card). POV route, no pay and no assistance getting it changed. </blockquote>
Wilson letter dated May 18, 1987 states a minor breakdown i.e. a tire change will not be deducted from route time. My PM deducted time for flat tire a few years back during Christmas OT I brought a copy of the letter in and the time was added back into my hrs.
Depends on if it's a LLV route or a POV route. LLV route, the RCA should be paid on a form 1314A (Green card). POV route, no pay and no assistance getting it changed. </blockquote>
Wilson letter dated May 18, 1987 states a minor breakdown i.e. a tire change will not be deducted from route time. My PM deducted time for flat tire a few years back during Christmas OT I brought a copy of the letter in and the time was added back into my hrs.
Deer Smearer
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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>hojo said </strong>
Thought you had to stay under 40 hours in order to get evaluation of the route? If you work 40 hours you get actual time worked. </blockquote>
>40 is actual time.
= or < 40 is evaluation
Thought you had to stay under 40 hours in order to get evaluation of the route? If you work 40 hours you get actual time worked. </blockquote>
>40 is actual time.
= or < 40 is evaluation
<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><strong>12345 said </strong>
Wilson letter dated May 18, 1987 states a minor breakdown i.e. a tire change will not be deducted from route time. My PM deducted time for flat tire a few years back during Christmas OT I brought a copy of the letter in and the time was added back into my hrs. </blockquote>
I agree, I am an Academy trainer and we have union stewards in our mix as well, they state put it in the comments section but it is never to be considered a break, our breaks are for lunch ect not vehicle breakdowns such as flat tires.
Wilson letter dated May 18, 1987 states a minor breakdown i.e. a tire change will not be deducted from route time. My PM deducted time for flat tire a few years back during Christmas OT I brought a copy of the letter in and the time was added back into my hrs. </blockquote>
I agree, I am an Academy trainer and we have union stewards in our mix as well, they state put it in the comments section but it is never to be considered a break, our breaks are for lunch ect not vehicle breakdowns such as flat tires.
