DB.Cooper
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Might as well just strike the line about carriers being able to take leave in accordance with their own wishes... good grief, I'm glad I'm soon to be heading out of this $#!+
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RCA's, are they assigned to a route, or the post office as a whole?
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Beanut
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It was so bad in my district the Poom checked every day to see if there were any RCAs not working. If you weren’t working you got a call to go somewhere. I was called 23 times in 20 minutes when I was given they day off. Only way I got it to stop was I blocked the number. Then told my PM about it the next day. She couldn’t believe a supervisor (from another office) would do that rather than call her directly.
i agree and why I put in 120 day letter and a few other things. Was a 2 hr EoS today discussing things
.I think I know that supervisor
. Known several just like that, reason I loaned myself out when we had subs and I was a sub. This way I picked what office and where vs just being sent random offices.
DB.Cooper
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I doubt RCAs are being treated as indentured servants by the Regs.... more likely to be treated that way by mngt.... hey you, you're going to some office that you've never been to, to run some route 50 miles away.... wth is that.... doubtful any Reg would tell them to do something like that...
It usually is management, but that’s not always the case. Every group has bad apples subs and regs alike.I doubt RCAs are being treated as indentured servants by the Regs.... more likely to be treated that way by mngt.... hey you, you're going to some office that you've never been to, to run some route 50 miles away.... wth is that.... doubtful any Reg would tell them to do something like that...
DB.Cooper
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Personally, I never tell subs to do anything.... not my job.... I want a day off, I put in a leave slip....
If anyone submits a 120 letter, make sure that 120 day letter is accompanied by Form 8191 completed citing this from Article 30 ;
2. The Employer shall make every effort to expeditiously
fill leave-replacement vacancies when they occur.
Regular rural carriers shall have the right to require
that a leave replacement be assigned to their route
2. The Employer shall make every effort to expeditiously
fill leave-replacement vacancies when they occur.
Regular rural carriers shall have the right to require
that a leave replacement be assigned to their route
I don't see that. RCAs aren't real employees, only Temps.
No matter what the contract says, the wording on my job description posting in 2016 strongly steered the applicant to believe (no matter how falsely) that this job was to cover a single route for a single Regular. I had no reason to question their motives, I was just entering into an agreement. "We'll pay you less because you have minimal responsibility and demand".
Naive, in hindsight, sure. But it was the impression that was conveyed on me. An RCA is never "same as a Regular" in any aspect in this organization.
Regulars never have a worry about casing unfamiliar routes, finding an address, looking at blank mailboxes, stressing to get out of the office, having to mark packages with names they've never seen before. Not to mention Regulars run 1 route, all the time, and get paid twice as much (and have a retirement hope) for that luxury.
I understand that some/many RCAs want/need extra hours. But it seems there's no longer any thought that some don't. And they don't want the burden of bouncing around like a transient. Doing multiple jobs for low pay while being held to the standards of a a someone with a single job at much higher pay.
Now its morphed to "We'll pay you less because we can squeeze and screw you over to avoid paying our better compensated employees."
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Missed a scan
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I don't know about you, but I treat my sub like a queen. She has no desire to be assigned to another office elsewhere. She will work other offices to get extra time. She likes the flexibility were she is now.
Shannonboy
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Best comment I've read tonight....and spot on...FIRE ALL POSTAL MGMT. MOST WORTHLESS BUNCH OF PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET...Bottom line is, it's mngt not doing their jobs in hiring.... and it sort of pi$$es me off that they're always saying stuff about us doing our jobs, but yet they can't even do their own damned job....
go to the resolution thread and write one up.
I meant the working rules for the rca position apply. Not that many of those rules don't suck. I didn't mean they are the same working rules for both positions.
And btw. Perhaps in your neck of the woods regulars don't have to assist on other routes. It's pretty common to get coerced or outright ordered to do so out here. Our cost of living keeps employment numbers very low for USPS around here. Mgmt forces, union grieves, mgmt violates - rinse and repeat. They don't care about forcing regulars since union agreed to payment method. Even when not a voluntary action.
You might be surprised how many regular carriers treat the rcas like crap.I doubt RCAs are being treated as indentured servants by the Regs.... more likely to be treated that way by mngt.... hey you, you're going to some office that you've never been to, to run some route 50 miles away.... wth is that.... doubtful any Reg would tell them to do something like that...
DB.Cooper
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That should be made into a poster-sized sign and hung at every case of a Reg without a sub....
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Not here. No Regular is asked to do any work other than their route. Every pain and discomfort is taken to keep them out of OT. If they did ask a Reg, the Reg would just come in after eval and leave.
I've been on my route so long because the Reg and I coordinate our schedules, and make sure one of us is ready to go. In my book, its the only way to expect to keep a sub.
The route I'm filling in for Sat the Reg doesn't do any of this, and 4 subs have left.
Bucknadhand
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In the same boat. my 120 letter will be grieved next week as my ptfs conversion date draws near.
So silly question, after you file the grievance on the 120 letter, what then? Do you grieve it every week after that until you have a sub or what?
I check daily on all the hiring sites that I can think of and they don't have anything posted, or when they do its up maybe once a month for less than a week and then taken down.
So silly question, after you file the grievance on the 120 letter, what then? Do you grieve it every week after that until you have a sub or what?
I check daily on all the hiring sites that I can think of and they don't have anything posted, or when they do its up maybe once a month for less than a week and then taken down.
Voglio-il mio
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I understand the importance of submitting 120 letter, but all it might accomplish is promoting an RCA into a Career position (which is good), but it doesn't increase the number of bodies to cover the routes. In a smaller office it actually decreases the available positions that could be filled. and its flexibility for Carriers to take time off.
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EthelAnne
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It creates stability too—that RCA-now-PTF is less likely to quit, but yeah—120 day letters, formulating offices—neither is a cure all.
