So, what would happen, if?

[K]

Not a federal law on 12-hours. It is a rule in the ELM, though.
Many hourly workers pull double shifts which is typically 16 hours.
There was a law that hourly could not work over 16 hours without an 8 hour break back when I worked in the private sector.

I'm ignorant on this issue. My route is eval'd at 10hr 50min...so I'm screwed and have to work as many hours as they throw at me? Tuesday was 12.5 hrs and I got help at the end. If they didn't give help and I worked 13.5-14hrs(estimating) I have no recourse?

 

[Mt.Carrier]

Yea at a certain point it's your own fault for letting them walk all over you. You could stop hours before that and theyd have nothing to use against you. I would stop and bring it back and leave it for them to deal with. With any luck after enough times of you closing up shop with a pumpkin overflowing with failed packages they may just stop asking for you and find a less wise newbie to do their jobs.

Agreed, and one of the nights I was out late last peak season I actually did bring back nearly 40 packages. That night it was close to 11:00 pm and I had had enough. I scanned them all “No Access”.
This season I’m definitely looking out for me! If I’m helping another office and Im reaching the 12-hour mark, everything undelivered is going back to the office!
Heck, what’s worse, and another thing that bugs me, is that one of the offices in question has an Aux Carrier, on a 6-0 ( SAME TITLE AND CLASSIFICATION AS ME ), that has never been sent to another office, in the entire 12 years he’s been on the Aux! That alone screams “Disparity of Treatment” to me!

 

[gotstamps]

I'm ignorant on this issue. My route is eval'd at 10hr 50min...so I'm screwed and have to work as many hours as they throw at me? Tuesday was 12.5 hrs and I got help at the end. If they didn't give help and I worked 13.5-14hrs(estimating) I have no recourse?

Regular Carriers do not have any recourse for working over 12 hours. The time worked over 12 is paid at a special overtime rate. The 1 hour 10 minutes worked in the between your evaluation & 12 does not get paid. That changes for the 1st 3 weeks in December during Christmas OT Period where any hours over eval for a Regular is OT pay.

 

[Old Fart]

Agreed, and one of the nights I was out late last peak season I actually did bring back nearly 40 packages. That night it was close to 11:00 pm and I had had enough. I scanned them all “No Access”.
This season I’m definitely looking out for me! If I’m helping another office and Im reaching the 12-hour mark, everything undelivered is going back to the office!
Heck, what’s worse, and another thing that bugs me, is that one of the offices in question has an Aux Carrier, on a 6-0 ( SAME TITLE AND CLASSIFICATION AS ME ), that has never been sent to another office, in the entire 12 years he’s been on the Aux! That alone screams “Disparity of Treatment” to me!

Just curious, have you ever called your union DR about the situation with the other Aux carrier?

 

[Beanut]

But the carrier asking was a 6 day aux rt carrier. I believe they can NOT be asked to work outside their office

They absolutely can.
I was an 6 day AUX carrier for 9 years and was sent to work other offices every day. Saturdays I ran the AUX and the 45K in my office. And Sunday I did Amazon at the HUB office that was 40 miles away.

I asked and begged my district rep to find something in the Contract that would stop any part of it.

Unless there is something in our new contract that has changed this for AUX carriers. I would LOVE to hear it.
But I doubt they’ve changed anything

 

[Pween]

Just curious, have you ever called your union DR about the situation with the other Aux carrier?

The situation with the other aux carrier seems like comparing apples to oranges. I'm assuming the other aux carrier rightfully shut that shiz down long ago, meanwhile OP willingly does what they ask and then some. They will squeeze all the juice they can out of the fruit until you just stop bending over.

 

[Mt.Carrier]

Just curious, have you ever called your union DR about the situation with the other Aux carrier?

Yeah, I’ve talked with my previous DR about the situation. She told me that the Aux carriers are to be rotated, as far as being sent to surrounding offices, and that next time to just “not go” until “equal treatment” is in place. She did mention getting the POOM involved, though it never got that far.
With my current DR, I’ve mentioned possibly seeking “Legal advise” as far as the “unequal treatment” is involved. He didn’t respond to that idea, lol
I think I’m just gonna take my previous DR’s advise and just “not go”, from now on, till equal treatment is in place, and if the PO seeks disciplinary action against me, then I’ll seek “Legal action” over “Disparity of Treatment”!

 

[Shannonboy]

To keep you out past 12 hours is not only a contractual infraction, it's a federal law that you must be back and off the clock by 12 hours. Tell that pm if you are ever out past 12 hours, you won't just be filing a grievance, but also a national labor charge against him specifically.
Technically, you shouldn't even be helping in another office because you were scheduled in your home office already, and rcas can not be worked in other offices when already scheduled in their home office

NO FREAKING WAY RT2.....WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IN THE CONTRACT??????

 

[Shannonboy]

There’s no “Federal Law” against working over 12 hours.
The 12-hour rule applies to Leave Replacements as there’s no way to pay them OT for the overage.
Regular Carriers do not fall under the 12-hour rule since we have language in the Contract for payment over 12 hours.

Also, an RCA scheduled on an Aux route CAN be utilized in other offices AFTER completing their route. The rule “no other office” rule only applies to Leave Replacements that are scheduled ON A REGULAR ROUTE that day. If a sub is scheduled to run parcels or serve an Auxiliary, mgmt can send them up tp 50 miles away to assist another office.

Gotstamps....where in the contract does it say that...the rule "no other office rule"???
We get sent to other offices all the time!!!!After doing our scheduled rts in our office. We are sent to other offices every Saturday, and most weekdays...

 

[Link]

Gotstamps....where in the contract does it say that...the rule "no other office rule"???
We get sent to other offices all the time!!!!After doing our scheduled rts in our office. We are sent to other offices every Saturday, and most weekdays...

From page.114-115 of the 2021-2024 national agreement

 

[Shannonboy]

From page.114-115 of the 2021-2024 national agreement
View attachment 15524

Here's another question then.....got a pm starting to abuse the whole phone thing, as in calling, or texting me that I gotta go to these other offices an hour or two before I finish a heavy full coverage day....where is it in our contract??? I'm fixing to take some names, and kick some tail this Friday....

 

[Gotrope]

Here's another question then.....got a pm starting to abuse the whole phone thing, as in calling, or texting me that I gotta go to these other offices an hour or two before I finish a heavy full coverage day....where is it in our contract??? I'm fixing to take some names, and kick some tail this Friday....

Don't answer the phone. You are not required to. Scheduling is to be done at the office.

 

[Gotrope]

Yeah, I’ve talked with my previous DR about the situation. She told me that the Aux carriers are to be rotated, as far as being sent to surrounding offices, and that next time to just “not go” until “equal treatment” is in place. She did mention getting the POOM involved, though it never got that far.
With my current DR, I’ve mentioned possibly seeking “Legal advise” as far as the “unequal treatment” is involved. He didn’t respond to that idea, lol
I think I’m just gonna take my previous DR’s advise and just “not go”, from now on, till equal treatment is in place, and if the PO seeks disciplinary action against me, then I’ll seek “Legal action” over “Disparity of Treatment”!

Technically, the NRLCA is the only one that can represent a rural employee with contract issues.

 

[neciat]

Here's another question then.....got a pm starting to abuse the whole phone thing, as in calling, or texting me that I gotta go to these other offices an hour or two before I finish a heavy full coverage day....where is it in our contract??? I'm fixing to take some names, and kick some tail this Friday....

Try this ;

 

[Shannonboy]

Don't answer the phone. You are not required to. Scheduling is to be done at the office.

I understand that, and agree. I just need to know where it's at in the contract. Also, I need to know what to do to request a new vote for steward as the one at our office is a moron....I'm gonna get some votes, and take over his job, and do it like it should be done.

 

[gotstamps]

I understand that, and agree. I just need to know where it's at in the contract. Also, I need to know what to do to request a new vote for steward as the one at our office is a moron....I'm gonna get some votes, and take over his job, and do it like it should be done.

IIRC 30% of the Union members in the office have to sign a petition to have an election outside of the July election every 4-year rule. It just so happens that every Leap Year, an election can be posted in an office for Local Steward to be conducted in July. Outside of that takes a petition. If an office has 50 or more Rural Craft employees, the office is allowed 2 stewards.

 

[Old Fart]

Yeah, I’ve talked with my previous DR about the situation. She told me that the Aux carriers are to be rotated, as far as being sent to surrounding offices, and that next time to just “not go” until “equal treatment” is in place. She did mention getting the POOM involved, though it never got that far.
With my current DR, I’ve mentioned possibly seeking “Legal advise” as far as the “unequal treatment” is involved. He didn’t respond to that idea, lol
I think I’m just gonna take my previous DR’s advise and just “not go”, from now on, till equal treatment is in place, and if the PO seeks disciplinary action against me, then I’ll seek “Legal action” over “Disparity of Treatment”!

Well...if you're given a direct order (ask...if it is) then you have to follow the order and grieve afterwards. The only exception is unsafe practices, which I don't believe you can make that fit here.

 

[She mails rural]

I had that happen to me one time in 30 years I had to bring other rts portions of mail back. It was real late I'd had been working since 6am. I was a new employee I didn't eat or had enough to drink that day, I just took everything back. I walked in about 10 pm and the pm said oh no you can't bring that back it has to be delivered. I said ok it will be delivered before I start my tour tomorrow. I'll be here at 5am, I'll run that and start new day at start time, see you in the morning goodnight. I did just that and to this day I never heard a thing about it and never had that problem again. I followed orders.

 

[Mt.Carrier]

I had that happen to me one time in 30 years I had to bring other rts portions of mail back. It was real late I'd had been working since 6am. I was a new employee I didn't eat or had enough to drink that day, I just took everything back. I walked in about 10 pm and the pm said oh no you can't bring that back it has to be delivered. I said ok it will be delivered before I start my tour tomorrow. I'll be here at 5am, I'll run that and start new day at start time, see you in the morning goodnight. I did just that and to this day I never heard a thing about it and never had that problem again. I followed orders.

I actually did just that the last few times at the offices I helped out at. Been running my 6-0 Aux as usual, then if sent to another office, I'd work at the "slowest pace" possible, then bring everything back to the office around 6:45-7:00 to give myself enough time to drive my Metris back to my home office and be off the clock by 8:00.
Needless to say, not too many offices call on me anymore, lol. I guess I found a remedy! Just gotta take my time at these other offices and not rush. Seems management don't like that too much, and has decided I'm not that useful after running my Aux most of the day. That's perfectly fine with me, LOL!!!

 

[Old Fart]

Technically, the NRLCA is the only one that can represent a rural employee with contract issues.

I believe an employee can file an EEOC claim outside of union representation? Only example I can think of. Is this correct?