subs coming in later?

[LEFTINGUTTER]

So, you're saying the regulars can complete their routes and be back in the office by 11 am???

Routes were mapped out so that they took on average of three to three and a half hours to circumnavigate, the only way to be under those driving times is to either be driving way to fast and very unsafely or just doing such a half a** job that all by the way show up on the RRECS so when you roll and run your stop signs, don not yeild at the cross walks, zoom across the rail road tracks with out coming to a complete stop and so on it logs that and one day will be used against you first to cut your hours even more or when you have a ccident or hit some kid in the street you will be fired.
Then union sold us out with RRECS.

 

[stillfirstclass]

Quite a few carriers I know do not use parcel markers or flags . In my 21 years , I used parcel markers maybe for grand total of 1st 6 weeks . But I was never able to do 8+ hr route in 3–4 hrs . Maybe once in a blue moon in 5 hrs . Rarely . Presently doing 8.8 hr route in 7 hrs average. That carrier sure sounds like gifted . I remember in pre DPS days , the office time used to be usually twice the amount of street time . If I could have cased the way you described maybe could have done in 4–5 hrs in those pre DPS days . Then again maybe I would have developed Carpal syndrome by now

the carrier i knew doing a 8.4 hour route in 4 hours was caught heating her house with the mail....

 

[Old Fart]

Routes were mapped out so that they took on average of three to three and a half hours to circumnavigate, the only way to be under those driving times is to either be driving way to fast and very unsafely or just doing such a half a** job that all by the way show up on the RRECS so when you roll and run your stop signs, don not yeild at the cross walks, zoom across the rail road tracks with out coming to a complete stop and so on it logs that and one day will be used against you first to cut your hours even more or when you have a ccident or hit some kid in the street you will be fired.
Then union sold us out with RRECS.

If one continues to ignore TCP's they eventually are eliminated from the route automatically.

 

[Old Fart]

Routes were mapped out so that they took on average of three to three and a half hours to circumnavigate, the only way to be under those driving times is to either be driving way to fast and very unsafely or just doing such a half a** job that all by the way show up on the RRECS so when you roll and run your stop signs, don not yeild at the cross walks, zoom across the rail road tracks with out coming to a complete stop and so on it logs that and one day will be used against you first to cut your hours even more or when you have a ccident or hit some kid in the street you will be fired.
Then union sold us out with RRECS.

Our carriers take about three hours or slightly longer in the office. Now, granted, we have coverage daily and lots of flats and letters (compared to today, not the old days) and we deliver in 2.5 to 5 hours, depending on the length of the route and how many parcels. Most routes are close to 8 hours (42, 43, 44) Many of our carriers are "fast" but still take on the low side of my averages above because it flat out takes that long to do the job safely.

 

[JJingle]

I know of one specifically who I obv will not name. This particularly gifted Rural Carrier would usually complete their 8+ hour route in 3-4, - maybe 4.5 hours on the rough days. Given the volum this route was imo evaluated TOO LOW!

All mail was cased (quickly I will add) - flats first "rolled" like a U. Then, with some sort of technique that you'd witness from a dealer at a card table. Left Hand flat, fingers together, palm up... the DPS fanned out, held up real close to the current cell - the right hand thumb sifting/sliding letters into the cells. <<< I tried this and can't seem to make it work. Raw letters tossed in at the end.

Typical Criss Cross into long Hard tray pull down - same as City carrier method.

No parcel markers or flags - Smalls in order and the large simply rolled out and loaded into the LLV.

As a curious RCA, I asked one day how they did it. the reply I got was "It's all about memory".

I think this particular carrier was gifted enough that large parcels were just committed to memory, and mail was shotgunned - prob never day dreams or has weak moments like us normal people... so never really slows down out there.

This is exactly how I case, no markers, smalls in order, but I sort my big packages in office and load them in the buggy backwards so last is on top to load in my pov My rear door stopped working a year ago so I’ve had to improvise. I can’t get finished in 3/4 hours tho. 90 miles, 600 receptacles, 554 stops, 250/300 package average. Mondays are HELL.

 

[Shannonboy]

This is exactly how I case, no markers, smalls in order, but I sort my big packages in office and load them in the buggy backwards so last is on top to load in my pov My rear door stopped working a year ago so I’ve had to improvise. I can’t get finished in 3/4 hours tho. 90 miles, 600 receptacles, 554 stops, 250/300 package average. Mondays are HELL.

Dont case your dps....take it to the street.
I do every day, I'm first out of my office most every day. In my old office, 80 routes, and first or second out every day. Usually beat most peeps back unless 2,3,4,5 eddm's in one day.(full coverages)
Taking it to the street will slow you down a little at first, after a bit though, you wont even notice the difference. An hour +++ out the door in the morning to the route definitely will help you.

 

[Old Fart]

Dont case your dps....take it to the street.
I do every day, I'm first out of my office most every day. In my old office, 80 routes, and first or second out every day. Usually beat most peeps back unless 2,3,4,5 eddm's in one day.(full coverages)
Taking it to the street will slow you down a little at first, after a bit though, you wont even notice the difference. An hour +++ out the door in the morning to the route definitely will help you.

I carried city for five years as dual and with our high volume routes, casing DPS in office most days is faster for us. With several full coverages having one bundle each mailbox (most are planned developments, so mailboxes are standardized and in good working order) is not only less stressful with kids and e bikes but the entire process from clock in to clock out is more favorable. Yes, some days taking it out is better. One of my points is "do it all the time, get used to it, it will be just as fast" in some cases like ours isn't true for us.

Today was four coverage, 10 feet of bundled flats, guessing 3500 DPS.....3 tubs raw mail....ours are all LLV so that may make a difference too. Most regulars deliver a hundred or more boxes without ever looking at the mail. Markers only for vacation holds or a vacant for some reason. I realize we aren't the typical rural offices. The city mentality that "every moment in the office is wasted time" works for employees who are incentivized to slow down. District managers (who've never carried rural) also believes that "you can't control street time" which from my personal experience is false -- it's just that they can WATCH them in the office, harass them (and they DO) and can't watch them on the street. Leaving the office an hour or two earlier doesn't guarantee you'll make up that time and more on the street. It "feels" good because you're out "early"

Two office PM's carried both city and rural. They say some days its faster, some days it's slower. Depends on what you have. Rural has the option to case inside on those days where it's faster to do it that way.

Try it both ways on same types of mail. Decide for yourself. Just keep an open mind when you do.

I know I'm going to get tons of blowback as nearly all rurals now take it out, partly because management pushes that philosophy as they're mostly city carrier trained. If they had to manage rural carriers what exactly would they do besides print out vacation holds and answer ECC's? With city they have to watch every single task carriers do in the office and constantly yell to hurry up.

The Post Office is heading that way as mandatory in the near future.

 

[Shannonboy]

I'm the only one that takes my dps out in this office, my old one, almost all rural did except for about 10, or so out of 75 plus routes...

 

[Old Fart]

I'm the only one that takes my dps out in this office, my old one, almost all rural did except for about 10, or so out of 75 plus routes...

Our carriers get so many coverages and bundled sequenced flats there are few addresses that don't get something that's a divider. Lots of DPS (still) makes delivery easier. When I did city, the situation was different -- fewer flats and coverage, so there it actually made sense most of the time to take it out. The best part of rural is we can choose. I dread the day we're forced to, but it's coming.

 

[ABCya]

This is exactly how I case, no markers, smalls in order, but I sort my big packages in office and load them in the buggy backwards so last is on top to load in my pov My rear door stopped working a year ago so I’ve had to improvise. I can’t get finished in 3/4 hours tho. 90 miles, 600 receptacles, 554 stops, 250/300 package average. Mondays are HELL.

For a short while during my RCA days, I drove an old 78 DJ5. I had to bungee cord the back door from the inside and fresh duck tape daily on the outside of the door. No power steering.. Forget what the spray was called but daily had to put it in this valve sort of thing in middle of where the circular air filter was.

 

[JJingle]

Dont case your dps....take it to the street.
I do every day, I'm first out of my office most every day. In my old office, 80 routes, and first or second out every day. Usually beat most peeps back unless 2,3,4,5 eddm's in one day.(full coverages)
Taking it to the street will slow you down a little at first, after a bit though, you wont even notice the difference. An hour +++ out the door in the morning to the route definitely that’s

For a short while during my RCA days, I drove an old 78 DJ5. I had to bungee cord the back door from the inside and fresh duck tape daily on the outside of the door. No power steering.. Forget what the spray was called but daily had to put it in this valve sort of thing in middle of where the circular air filter was.

I have to spray 303 protectant on my belt every day or it squeals like a wild banshee

For a short while during my RCA days, I drove an old 78 DJ5. I had to bungee cord the back door from the inside and fresh duck tape daily on the outside of the door. No power steering.. Forget what the spray was called but daily had to put it in this valve sort of thing in middle of where the circular air filter was.

I’m missing my bumper and the cover that protects underneath my truck so the main belt gets dirty/wet, I have to spray it every morning with 303 so it don’t scream like a wild banshee

 

[RammerJammer]

For a short while during my RCA days, I drove an old 78 DJ5. I had to bungee cord the back door from the inside and fresh duck tape daily on the outside of the door. No power steering.. Forget what the spray was called but daily had to put it in this valve sort of thing in middle of where the circular air filter was.

Pam, or maybe starter fluid. I was having trouble getting mine started one day and this VMF mechanic comes over and helps me out. I thought why is he being so nice til he starts to give me his shtick trying to recruit me in his network marketing scheme. A city carrier had one that he drove to work everyday and would rent it out to rurals on an as needed basis. This was pre LLV days when we were an all pov office. Problem was it was idled up too high but I didn’t want to adjust nothing and every time I went off road and applied brakes it would power slide. It’s manual steering & brakes would wear me out trying to avoid hitting anything or going off in a ditch. I learned quick to shift into neutral to compensate. One other time in my own DJ5 I lost all gears but reverse. I still managed to finish the route though. Where there’s a will there’s a way.

 

[Haygrrl]

No Pov routes in the office

some offices are down llvs/va . Can they have subs come in later at 11AM

so the regulars can use the trucks first? It’s what’s going on.

It's their office

 

[hockey94]

I'm the only one that takes my dps out in this office, my old one, almost all rural did except for about 10, or so out of 75 plus routes...

I started taking DPS with me for the most part because I couldn’t stand feeling like a robot putting letters into slots. In addition, I didn’t enjoy all the BS going on in the various dumpy PO ‘s. I wanted out ! Plus i got a lot of city work which I wanted !