Supreme Court sides with Christian ex-mailman who sought to avoid Sunday shifts

[hockey94]

Sunday delivery is not going anywhere.

I agree, the PO could care less about a signed contract, they will not adhere to a Supreme court decision.

SOSDD !

 

[MNRuralRoute4]

Let those that want to work on Sunday or are hired as ARC's come in and deliver Sunday.
ARC's are specifically hired to work Sundays and holidays.
And as was previously stated by Drauwst, tell management to fly a kite if asked to work on a Sunday as a regular. It is called having a spine.

 

[hillbilloinaire]

We will see

A lot on here talk like anyone can get out of working Sunday now. This will only apply to "observant" Christians. Wonder how they will like it when a Seventh Day Adventist needs to be off from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. If they would just make the job decent again there would plenty of people willing to work the Sabbath whenever they think it is.

 

[mar88]

A lot on here talk like anyone can get out of working Sunday now. This will only apply to "observant" Christians. Wonder how they will like it when a Seventh Day Adventist needs to be off from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. If they would just make the job decent again there would plenty of people willing to work the Sabbath whenever they think it is.

Easy fix. Go to church on Sunday.

 

[NorthernPines]

This decision won't do anything, functionally.

It's an incredibly narrow decision that returns the case to lower courts, effectively eliminating the governmental position on de minimus impact. All the USPS needs to do is come back with an argument that accommodation would negatively impact business function beyond the argument of, "yes."

 

[FrozenToes]

A lot on here talk like anyone can get out of working Sunday now. This will only apply to "observant" Christians. Wonder how they will like it when a Seventh Day Adventist needs to be off from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. If they would just make the job decent again there would plenty of people willing to work the Sabbath whenever they think it is.

First they should read the decision.

 

[hillbilloinaire]

First they should read the decision.

Read the decision. Augghh! if only Rush was still around to tell me what to think.

 

[EthelAnne]

This decision won't do anything, functionally.

It's an incredibly narrow decision that returns the case to lower courts, effectively eliminating the governmental position on de minimus impact. All the USPS needs to do is come back with an argument that accommodation would negatively impact business function beyond the argument of, "yes."

Well, that was the argument they were supposed to make the argument in front of the USSC, and the justices found it lacking. But you’re right, they get another bite of the apple.

 

[neciat]

I'm for it. This guy stood up for what he believed in, against the post office. A bunch of us, instead of running our mouths, and doing nothing realistically, and Im talking to myself here as well, at least in the past, Im standing up for myself now though!! WE NEED TO TAKE A NICE LONG LOOK AT WHAT THIS GUY JUST DID, AND START TAKING NOTES, AND TAKING SOME ACTION!!! How many of us have passed up something that we thought couldve been a lawsuit worthy situation against the post office???? And we said to ourselves....aawww...no one ever wins against the government...aaww
I'll just forget about it.. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN SCREWED OVER BY THESE MORONIC PEOPLE THAT SUPPOSEDLY "MANAGE" THIS COMPANY??? THIS GUY JUST WON!!!! AGAINST ONE OF THE BIGGEST ABUSERS OF HARDWORKING AND HONEST AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY!!!!!!! All of us need to pay attention to what one guy with a backbone just did...He took a stand, and as far as Im concerned, he's got my respect, and I hope he gets every bit of backpay they owe him, because he deserves it..

I was ALWAYS oh so very proud of Mr Groff and his "refuse to lose" , "never give up " , "don't listen to those clowns" , etc. attitude. While I myself personally agreed with him and his fundamental Judeo Christian beliefs , it would not have mattered to me WHAT the issue was and / or whether he prevailed or not as I would have been and currently am just as proud of him. While we are screwing around with pretty much meaningless National Step 4s and local office grievances for "too many this or too many that" , Mr. Groff had HIS argument before the highest court in our land. When his coworkers were asking him , " what are you going to do ? " , his response was , " here, hold my scanner." There is NO WAY dog food and diapers and paper plates are even in the SAME CATEGORY of importance as just ONE of the founding beliefs of our Nation. I live and work under the mindset and philosophy of " attack EVERY problem with enthusiasm as if your very survival depended upon it. " That's right, the same passion and relentless pursuit for justice , fairness, equality, etc. goes into the " you owe me an hour pay for cleaning up this mess " as does the " you cannot and will not remove this guy / girl . " One thing most people never realize is that once you are wronged, you really have nothing to lose so why not fight back ? I recall unofficially assisting a carrier that was facing a removal due to an accident. I asked him about his grievance after he received his letter of removal. He said , " why would I grieve it , they are firing me ? " I told him, " well , they can't fire you twice...........you will either prevail and get your job back or you will be no worse off than you are now. " It was like an epiphany to him. He ended up getting his job back. Point being, having a relentless , tenacious and almost militant mindset to achieve your goal can and will guarantee success at any level of litigation. Well done Mr. Groff. We are all quite proud of you !!!! Thank you , sir !!!!

 

[Morty]

No more Sundays. The craft needs to send a message to the post office for f***I g us over on the essential worker, couldn't keep the country going without you, arb denial.

 

[Shannonboy]

I was ALWAYS oh so very proud of Mr Groff and his "refuse to lose" , "never give up " , "don't listen to those clowns" , etc. attitude. While I myself personally agreed with him and his fundamental Judeo Christian beliefs , it would not have mattered to me WHAT the issue was and / or whether he prevailed or not as I would have been and currently am just as proud of him. While we are screwing around with pretty much meaningless National Step 4s and local office grievances for "too many this or too many that" , Mr. Groff had HIS argument before the highest court in our land. When his coworkers were asking him , " what are you going to do ? " , his response was , " here, hold my scanner." There is NO WAY dog food and diapers and paper plates are even in the SAME CATEGORY of importance as just ONE of the founding beliefs of our Nation. I live and work under the mindset and philosophy of " attack EVERY problem with enthusiasm as if your very survival depended upon it. " That's right, the same passion and relentless pursuit for justice , fairness, equality, etc. goes into the " you owe me an hour pay for cleaning up this mess " as does the " you cannot and will not remove this guy / girl . " One thing most people never realize is that once you are wronged, you really have nothing to lose so why not fight back ? I recall unofficially assisting a carrier that was facing a removal due to an accident. I asked him about his grievance after he received his letter of removal. He said , " why would I grieve it , they are firing me ? " I told him, " well , they can't fire you twice...........you will either prevail and get your job back or you will be no worse off than you are now. " It was like an epiphany to him. He ended up getting his job back. Point being, having a relentless , tenacious and almost militant mindset to achieve your goal can and will guarantee success at any level of litigation. Well done Mr. Groff. We are all quite proud of you !!!! Thank you , sir !!!!

Neciat....you are my 2nd Hero of the day, Mr. Groff is my first, and i suspect you have absolutely no problem with that at all...Very, Very well said my friend! People like you, and Mr. Groff are the kind of people that made this country GREAT, and the USPS something so unique, and integral to AMERICA being the Home of the Brave, and the Land of the Free..

 

[Morty]

We will see

Exactly. And the covid denial opens the door for it to end. No Sunday delivery does not violate the contract. It won't harm the post office because we are salaried AND 77% of us are still UNDER evaluation. Every carrier in the country should be refusing to volunteer, which is what Sunday has always been.

The 66% losers should want no Sunday delivery to boost the routes back up.

 

[ABCya]

This is great victory. And as much as I hate to agree with rollinrural, there really should be a pay bump on Sundays. All the places I've applied to lately are automatically time and a half if you work your day off and double time on

And he won by the strength of Jesus, NOT by the help of the union.
Victory indeed!

 

[ABCya]

A lot on here talk like anyone can get out of working Sunday now. This will only apply to "observant" Christians. Wonder how they will like it when a Seventh Day Adventist needs to be off from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. If they would just make the job decent again there would plenty of people willing to work the Sabbath whenever they think it is.

The postal service has no business defining who an "observant " . How and where we serve/express our faith is between us and God.
I believe that every person has a right to their observation of their religion without confrontation from the evil serpents in mgmt.
They've done nearly everything besides draining our blood as it is.

 

[RollinRural]

This case would not even have been filed had they hired more ARC’s in the first place.
Hopefully the Usps higher-ups realize this.

 

[Dumbassclerksyndrome]

I was ALWAYS oh so very proud of Mr Groff and his "refuse to lose" , "never give up " , "don't listen to those clowns" , etc. attitude. While I myself personally agreed with him and his fundamental Judeo Christian beliefs , it would not have mattered to me WHAT the issue was and / or whether he prevailed or not as I would have been and currently am just as proud of him. While we are screwing around with pretty much meaningless National Step 4s and local office grievances for "too many this or too many that" , Mr. Groff had HIS argument before the highest court in our land. When his coworkers were asking him , " what are you going to do ? " , his response was , " here, hold my scanner." There is NO WAY dog food and diapers and paper plates are even in the SAME CATEGORY of importance as just ONE of the founding beliefs of our Nation. I live and work under the mindset and philosophy of " attack EVERY problem with enthusiasm as if your very survival depended upon it. " That's right, the same passion and relentless pursuit for justice , fairness, equality, etc. goes into the " you owe me an hour pay for cleaning up this mess " as does the " you cannot and will not remove this guy / girl . " One thing most people never realize is that once you are wronged, you really have nothing to lose so why not fight back ? I recall unofficially assisting a carrier that was facing a removal due to an accident. I asked him about his grievance after he received his letter of removal. He said , " why would I grieve it , they are firing me ? " I told him, " well , they can't fire you twice...........you will either prevail and get your job back or you will be no worse off than you are now. " It was like an epiphany to him. He ended up getting his job back. Point being, having a relentless , tenacious and almost militant mindset to achieve your goal can and will guarantee success at any level of litigation. Well done Mr. Groff. We are all quite proud of you !!!! Thank you , sir !!!!

Only comment that tells it all!!!!!! Stand up!!! Bravo @neciat

 

[Haygrrl]

This will become more interesting now. Now will they have to volunteer or even offer some extra pay to get
Sunday help?

Nope..well just have more crap to deliver on Monday

 

[MNRuralRoute4]

Nope..well just have more crap to deliver on Monday

And our routes will grow in evaluation because of the Monday delivery. I see this as a total win for carriers.

 

[Worve]

And our routes will grow in evaluation because of the Monday delivery. I see this as a total win for carriers.

It’s a win for everyone but arcs imo. I say this knowing full well I will hate every Monday I work or day after a holiday. Wait I all ready do as a sub .