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Diana_of_Themyscira

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Today, my supervisor left me a note, "Deliver this package and all the mails in the mailbox to the door. Thanks."
Then he had a form in an envelop for the customer. I'm guessing it's about the Customer Hardship request or something.
This was the result of a 30-minute phone call he had with one of my most difficult customers yesterday.
The directive seems reasonable EXCEPT that he didn't bother to ask me my version of the story.
He acted based ONLY on what the customer told him.

Let's do backtracking for a bit as doing so is essential to the story.
When I took on the route, I asked the former carrier what to expect from it. She said it's a pretty nice route but she's giving it up because of its length. She wanted fewer hours and thus bid on a smaller route. I was excited and happy until she said, "Oh, but there's a couple of customers that are a huge PITA!" That didn't scare me a bit because I know that there is no such thing as a perfect route and that one should take not just the good things that go with every job, but also the bad.
I didn't realize it was this bad. Apparently, "huge PITA" was an understatement.

During the first few months taking in the route, the customer and I spoke and right away, she had a long line of complaints about the former carrier. She said that she's inconsiderate and lazy. Then she proceeded on telling me how sick she is. She had a surgery, her husband (who used to do everything) died and she is always too weak to go to the mailbox to get her mails. I don't feel good listening to people berating other people; but I was respectful and patient and heard her out. And while I was warned about her manipulative ways, I still took pity on her (she just lost her husband and had a surgery) and said I would take all her mails to the door on weekends. I did it for months, especially in the winter. Then in one of our talks, I asked her when was her surgery. She replied, "2008". When did your husband die? "2010." Then I ask how old she is, "52". Then I noticed she is not weak; she just thinks she is. I stopped coming to the door. She got mad and called me a liar. "You said you are going to bring my mails to the door!" I replied, "You need to talk to my supervisor and put in a request for door delivery due to physical hardship." She was told the same thing by the former carrier. She might have called all the supervisors and got told the same thing, too. My theory is that she couldn't get a doctor's note because she doesn't have an illness.

I get to the door for packages that won't fit in the mailbox and I take with me the mails for that day. She doesn't want just that; she wants all the other mails, too, in the mailbox from previous days/weeks.

Then last Autumn, things got worse- the bushes on her driveway were overgrown and her pile of firewood were everywhere - making it difficult for me to get in and out of her driveway. I left her PS form 4056, then a 2nd notice after a week. As expected, she didn't do anything about it. I then started holding her mails after 14 days. She was mad when I didn't deliver her package. Then after a week or so, seeing that I was not budging, she had someone helped her trim the bushes. She marched to my vehicle, mad, asking for the package. I said I didn't know she was going to finally trim the bushes that day and said I will bring it tomorrow. She didn't want that - she still insisted that I should always take her mails to the door. I said, "talk to my boss and get a doctor's note !" She yelled, "you promised you will go to my door, you LYING BITCH!" I said, "I won't let you talk to me that way!" and left. My vehicle has a dash cam and everything was captured. I have been keeping that clip just in case I would need it.

Last Saturday, she had a package that would have fit easily in the mailbox had she emptied it. The mailbox was overflowing. I left a 3849.
Yesterday (Monday), she talked to my supervisor. I don't know what she told him but today I got that note from him. Not only was I told to redeliver the package (that would fit in the mailbox) but also take all the mails (and a package) in the mailbox and bring it to the door.

Before I left to deliver, I asked (and insisted) my boss to speak with me about it. I went, "what did she tell you? Don't you want to hear my version of the story?"
He listened to me but still insisted to take everything to the door.
I did as I was told, much to my disappointment.

And because I do not wish to see her for a possible verbal altercation, I did everything on the street - put all the mails and packages in a bag - so I could just drop the bag and go, leaving no room for her to verbally abuse me again.

Well, guess what - she was peeping through her window. I put the bag down on the porch and started to walk away.
She went, "you can't even put it on the bench !" (I put it next to the door so it would be closer for her to grab. I thought she would appreciate that, but NO)
I got pissed and retorted, "well, you can't even get them from your mailbox!" and continued to walk away.
She yelled, "you're a liar ! I'm calling your supervisor again. I spoke to him yesterday and told on you!"
I said "OK, call him." Then she just blabbered about how I write numbers on her packages.
(I write the numbers on the packages with a sharpie so I could read it better, then I write the case row number to easily monitor the deliveries. It's my system.)
I felt as though she was doing that provoke me to engage in a verbal altercation.

I went back the office and talked to my boss -
She already called him.
"Sir, with all due respect, why did you decide about what to do with it without asking my version of the story first?"
He said, " I did!"
I said, "Yes you did, but AFTER you already told her that all her mails will be delivered to the door today. Don't you think I should have been asked about my side of the story?
I think I have the right to be heard. Because like what I expected, she verbally abused me again. I can't keep subjecting myself to such humiliation. There is a huge difference between service and slavery. She wants me to be her slave."

The truth is, in a nutshell, he decided only based on what the customer told him.

QUESTIONS :
Could I grieve this? I feel as though the supervisor committed a Grave Abuse of Discretion.
How long will the Request for Hardship be approved?


Please please please HELP me with any information I would need. Thanks ! ?
 
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Yes, you can grieve it.

Mail goes in a box. You were ordered to take it to the door. Get the mileage, walking distance, and some pmg approved box to put it in.

The customer issue, fill out the form with the oig.

And boys and girls, this here is why i NEVER give any service beyond standard. You took the mail to the door for months, and this is the "thanks" you get.
 
Keep that note.........also the thing I noticed........you didn't say anything about it being signed and dated. Also, is this a from now on order...to go to the door or just for that one day???

Write on your 4240 (time sheet) everyday you are required to do this extra duty.....you should get paid.....but until that is worked out you want to protect yourself in case you get hurt doing a service that isn't covered without it noted on the 4003 and a approved hardship.
 
WONDERing WOMAN -- Hold on to that note!!!! And the dash cam segment.

-- Get your Assistant District Representative involved so he / she can ask manglement for the paper work involved with a "Hardship" delivery. If there is none, than the ADR can ask why you are being ordered to deliver to the house.

-- In the mean time, respectfully ( if possible ) ask manglement for an authorized dismount as well as the distance involved.

-- Take pictures of the mail box and road leading to the home. They add a nice touch if called to the office and things get nasty.

-- Document, document, and, yes, document.

-- You don't have to take abuse -- verbal or otherwise. Contact and show the dash cam segment to Postal Inspectors. Maybe a visit from the Postal Inspector will settle the customer down ( but - unfortunately don't count on it! -- And keep the dash cam rolling!! )

-- As with questionable direct orders, obey then grieve, citing that by obeying manglement's order, you fell threatened by the customer's past action(s) and verbal output.

-- Good input from "callofthewild". If the note was not dated nor signed, you can put the date received on the back and make a notation it was not signed by manglement.

-- Homework for you ( actually so you can get a step ahead of manglement ), but manglement will be doing most of the work!

-- Form 4027 -- Petition For Change in Rural Delivery ( if manglement does not have the form - Grieve, citing Section 142.3 of the PO-603 )
-- Domestic Mail Manual ( DMM ) - Section 508.2.2.2 -- Accommodating Customer Hardship
-- Postal Operations Manual ( POM ) - Section 631.42 -- Hardship Cases
-- M-38 ( Management of Rural Delivery Services ) - Chapter 4 -- Extension of Rural Routes
-- PO-603, Section 313.1 -- Authorized Dismount Delivery
-- Step 4 ( H-11 ) -- in part: when a hardship delivery is approved on a rural route, local management MUST determine if additional vehicle mileage is required. It may also be necessary to assign a SAFE, CONVENIENT PARK location, authorize a dismount and MEASURE any required walking distance. This information is used to determine a BASE HOUR CHANGE and is recorded in the appropriate block of the PS From 4003. Base hour change is effective on the first day of the next pay period.

-- Of course all of the above is dependent on the customer submitting Form 4027 and manglement approving a Hardship Delivery. As well as doing the appropriate actions of the above references. ( In some areas, it is District who has the final say in such matters )

-- Until then, note on the 4240 each time you make a delivery to the door and distance.
 
WW, you inherited a mess that should have been corrected long ago. Is there a such thing as an interim hardship pending submitted request and approval I wonder?

My guess - probably need to comply, grieve, request of the PM in writing to intervene on your behalf concerning a verbally abusive customer, and until 4003 is amended to reflect the deviation, include mileage/steps under remarks on 4240 and something such as "PM directed dismount at xxxxxxx of all mail (no mail box)" for CYA.
 
My bad, the note got tossed right after I read it. :cry: I was optimistic for the outcome - that I'll just drop and go - and that I was being an obedient employee. But yes, I will write the PM to tell him what happened today and how the Supervisor handled the situation. I will attach that to the Grievance form.
On a side note, our PM is new, like 2 days. He started yesterday. And the Supervisor is promoted from Acting Supervisor/CCA to Supervisor in another office. He starts his new position on June 1.
Please keep all the inputs/advice coming...
Thank you ☺
 
WW, you inherited a mess that should have been corrected long ago. Is there a such thing as an interim hardship pending submitted request and approval I wonder?

--- I guess there was no correction because everything that transpired was merely verbal. Her harassment to both of us was just met with us ignoring it and not giving in to it. Until the Supervisor got involved and played the "hero" !
 
And if I may add, should I pursue this, this will be my first Grievance.
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what to expect and how is it done.
My steward will be spending the next few days in other offices to perform his functions.
I am, literally, flying solo on this. I would REALLY need someone to walk me through this. Would you be kind enough to be that person?
I will be eternally grateful ?
 
I had someone request a hardship delivery and my supervisor approved it. The PM got involved and decided it wasn't warranted and overturned it. So it can be done.
 
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Cliff notes???
Got a PITA customer pretending to be sick, but is only 52 and lazy snail.
Snail wants all her mail placed in hand, and will pull multiple scams to get it.
Snail BSs PM into having carrier bring up all the old mail and packages, thus enabling manipulative, whining snail.
Carrier wants snail to face consequences, and grieve to get PM to stop caving, or else turn this to hardship.
 
btdtret -- Since you have been directed / ordered / told to deliver the mail as a "Hardship Delivery" without the proper paper work being filed / approved / completed, ask for a written order to do so. And keep it this time!


Acting Supervisor said the door delivery would just be a one-time thing (yesterday). Because he said, "it's my decision and I had an agreement with her and told her that she'll get all of her mails (from weeks ago in the mailbox) to the door today."
He sent her some forms (in a sealed envelop) that I assume are for the Hardship Request.
 
HardearnedTan - Your first step is to have the conversation with your PM or acting manager about what you think is a conflict. If you can't agree to fix the situation then it is time to ask for and fill out 1-4 on an 8191, grievance form. Your steward takes it from there. Ask him to help you at that point.

Oh, so the initial conversation should be with someone else other than the Supervisor involved? I am under the impression that my conversation with him could be the 1st step of the Grievance process.
It makes sense, though, that I should talk to the PM about the issue first.
Thanks, HeT !
 
csparks :
Got a PITA customer pretending to be sick, but is only 52 and lazy snail.
Snail wants all her mail placed in hand, and will pull multiple scams to get it.
Snail BSs PM into having carrier bring up all the old mail and packages, thus enabling manipulative, whining snail.
Carrier wants snail to face consequences, and grieve to get PM to stop caving, or else turn this to hardship.

* one correction, csparks, the Snail talked to the Acting Sup/CCA, not to the PM.
I will write PM and ask for an audience with me.
 
Slightly related. Walmart...least our local one...has these motorized scooter/shopping cart things. It's supposed to be so handicapped people can shop...fine. But, just about every single time I go into Walmart, I see people using them that are obviously not handicapped in any way. They're, apparently, just too lazy to walk around the store...and more than one of them looks like they could use all the exercise they can get.

The customer in question here reminds me of those people.
 
Slightly related. Walmart...least our local one...has these motorized scooter/shopping cart things. It's supposed to be so handicapped people can shop...fine. But, just about every single time I go into Walmart, I see people using them that are obviously not handicapped in any way. They're, apparently, just too lazy to walk around the store...and more than one of them looks like they could use all the exercise they can get.

The customer in question here reminds me of those people.
It's a two for one deal to go along with the parking spot they're not entitled to either maybe.
 
Got a PITA customer pretending to be sick, but is only 52 and lazy snail.
Snail wants all her mail placed in hand, and will pull multiple scams to get it.
Snail BSs PM into having carrier bring up all the old mail and packages, thus enabling manipulative, whining snail.
Carrier wants snail to face consequences, and grieve to get PM to stop caving, or else turn this to hardship.

Thanks Csparks.
 
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