Unscanned Parcel Definition

[Old Fart]

What finite hard copy documentation defines an unscanned parcel delivered to mailbox? We have a prompt for such on our MDD's. Yet management in our offices agree if it fits in the box, it's not an unscanned parcel. So this seems to say there is no such thing as an unscanned parcel! I don't need opinions, logic, but hard documentation that management must abide by.

Furthermore, these typically arrive in APC, OTR, or wire with other chunks and parcels from plant which must be thrown to route hampers by clerks. How do we get credit for those deliveries without an AAU or out for delivery scan?

The bulk of these are 3rd class charity mailings, such as Tunnel to Towers, VFW or Wounded Warrior, though there are other examples as well. One route on Saturday had 100 of these.

The union is vanilla on this. "Whatever you and management agree upon" isn't a good answer.

Thank you.

 

[Worve]

It depends upon equipment and thickness to win the argument. Some are thinner than others. I had a business route which 2 x a week got uline. One was 200 + thin versions , another 200+ thick, no way in Hades would they fit into case and many times not into cbu due to old mail or multiple books per day. I would argue for anything the needs separate handling or won't fit in a mailbox. The time to grasp those items from a secondary container is not huge but, it adds up.

Mine is similar 70+ businesses as part of it. Twice a week I get unlines, thicker ones Mondays….. thinner ones Thursday. I only do unscannable for thicker if I have multiple which I always do. Haven’t been questioned to date. Moment I do if need be I will take it to whoever will fight it.

 

[Twingrlie]

Nrlca headquarters does not support twins list. Many of the referenced items are parcels. File the grievance people. Tiny, case able items are hard to argue. Uline are hard to argue because Bridget gave up a grievance on it. Unless USPS can absolutely prove the item was credited elsewhere, file.
In no one's mind should a metal license plate be a flat.

Well I have emails from National that say otherwise. Metal license plate is considered a flat. Last I checked, it’s flat.

 

[Twingrlie]

It depends upon equipment and thickness to win the argument. Some are thinner than others. I had a business route which 2 x a week got uline. One was 200 + thin versions , another 200+ thick, no way in Hades would they fit into case and many times not into cbu due to old mail or multiple books per day. I would argue for anything the needs separate handling or won't fit in a mailbox. The time to grasp those items from a secondary container is not huge but, it adds up.

Thickness, rigidity, how it was mailed, has nothing to do with it. That’s the old way of thinking. Throw out the blue ruler.

 

[ATCBigE]

Well I have emails from National that say otherwise. Metal license plate is considered a flat. Last I checked, it’s flat.

Answer this then

If they are flat, why are in tossed in with my SPRs??? How are they counted as flats if thrown in my packages?

 

[Twingrlie]

Didn't someone on here win a grievance on ulines as unscan parcels? Wasn't the IP on it signifying something like "irregular parcel"

@ATCBigE beat me to it

No lol. Unless it was at the local level in which case if the Union found out about it, they’d vacate that settlement.

 

[Twingrlie]

Where's the credit for these items we handle that are in the hamper and don't fall under your definition of a parcel? I'm waiting... Crickets!

Check your RADAR report.

 

[Twingrlie]

Answer this then

If they are flat, why are in tossed in with my SPRs??? How are they counted as flats if thrown in my packages?

Because a clerk doesn’t care where they throw your stuff and the PO 603 states flats can be thrown in our hampers. Guess what? A spur is now a parcel under RRECS. A certified is a parcel under RRECS. Anything with a barcode is a parcel under RRECS. Check your RADAR report to see if you’re getting credit for the bundles being thrown in your hamper.

 

[ATCBigE]

Because a clerk doesn’t care where they throw your stuff and the PO 603 states flats can be thrown in our hampers. Guess what? A spur is now a parcel under RRECS. A certified is a parcel under RRECS. Anything with a barcode is a parcel under RRECS. Check your RADAR report to see if you’re getting credit for the bundles being thrown in your hamper.

If it comes in the bag with the spurs in the morning from the plant, how can you account that it was accounted for?

 

[Twingrlie]

If it comes in the bag with the spurs in the morning from the plant, how can you account that it was accounted for?

Check your RADAR report. The Plant sends it to the office, and the office sorts it. The Plant is responsible for making sure it’s accounted for.

You do know we all get a 19% buffer added to our routes for bulk mailings dropped at the door right? You complaining you get that credit on days when it doesn’t apply?

 

[ATCBigE]

Check your RADAR report. The Plant sends it to the office, and the office sorts it. The Plant is responsible for making sure it’s accounted for.

You do know we all get a 19% buffer added to our routes for bulk mailings dropped at the door right? You complaining you get that credit on days when it doesn’t apply?

Why should I have to continuous check report to be sure my stuff is counted properly??? Is that part of my job? How much time credit is that worth??? How can I tell if it is accounted for when RADAR is delayed? There's NO WAY I would be able to see if 1 license plate was accounted for or not.

I'm sorry if license plate COMES in bag with spurs, it is 100% UNSCANPARCEL. Now if it comes in my flat tub, it has been accounted and I can deal with that.


THIS RIGHT HERE is the ISSUE WITH RRECS (one of many).

 

[Twingrlie]

Why should I have to continuous check report to be sure my stuff is counted properly??? Is that part of my job? How much time credit is that worth??? How can I tell if it is accounted for when RADAR is delayed? There's NO WAY I would be able to see if 1 license plate was accounted for or not.

I'm sorry if license plate COMES in bag with spurs, it is 100% UNSCANPARCEL. Now if it comes in my flat tub, it has been accounted and I can deal with that.


THIS RIGHT HERE is the ISSUE WITH RRECS (one of many).

Verify it on end of shift time. How are you going to complain about something you don’t even know you’re not getting credit for? Better yet, email the director of labor relations and ask him what constitutes an unscannable parcel.

I’d like to see his response. Then come back here and update your response.

 

[U caught my attention]

"Obvious parcel"
How vague.....it just cracks me up.

You do know we all get a 19% buffer added to our routes for bulk mailings dropped at the door right?

The rrecs activity guide says Door misc is now just for hold mail and taking pkg supplies to the door for customer.

So we can perform the act of delivering a package to the door with a large flat unscannable item but not get the time associated with the credit. This mysterious nationally negotiated 19% casing credit is supposed to be the reason we are not to have parcel credit for that action?.

How does that make any.logical sense at all?

Basically this system is garbage and all these tweeks are trying to hide the fact it wasn't thought through or implemented properly. They are trying to control times. Let us not forget we as carriers don't even know if any numbers on the 4251A are even remotely accurate. There is still zero transperency. So how do we even know when we select unscannable parcel we are getting actual parcel credit at all.

 

[DohnJalton]

Check your RADAR report.

Oh so you are suggesting everyone counts all their mail everyday to check the numbers verses the radar report, great union endorsed strategy there.
Then when you are missing 1 flat, you grieve it to get paid the 17 seconds, and some hack steward can get paid as a 48k for the day for doing 5 minutes of work.

 

[Worve]

Thickness, rigidity, how it was mailed, has nothing to do with it. That’s the old way of thinking. Throw out the blue ruler.

Just so I am not assuming, are you saying without a barcode even if sender paid parcel rates. That it is not considered a parcel just because it does not have a barcode? This is also the stance of your local and according to you national stance?

 

[oi veh.]

Just so I am not assuming, are you saying without a barcode even if sender paid parcel rates. That it is not considered a parcel just because it does not have a barcode? This is also the stance of your local and according to you national stance?

exactly.

shoot, i have obvious priority packages that come in without a barcode. because some clerk somewhere is too lazy to put it on (there ARE still manual POs out there, folks) doesn't mean it isn't still a package.

 

[Casca]

Check your RADAR report. The Plant sends it to the office, and the office sorts it. The Plant is responsible for making sure it’s accounted for.

You do know we all get a 19% buffer added to our routes for bulk mailings dropped at the door right? You complaining you get that credit on days when it doesn’t apply?

The original explanation for the 19% was to allow for the fact the plant knew mailers lied about bundled flats count. Now it’s morphed into dock items.

 

[Casca]

Just so I am not assuming, are you saying without a barcode even if sender paid parcel rates. That it is not considered a parcel just because it does not have a barcode? This is also the stance of your local and according to you national stance?

Exactly what I was gonna say. They paid to mail it as a parcel. It doesn’t miraculously become less when it’s delivered. If that was the case, I could start leaving notes with the item telling them to claim a refund on over paid postage if I’m only credited a flat.

 

[ATCBigE]

You know what RRECS reminds me of especially the talk of unscanparcel?

It reminds me of being a kid and playing a game where you start winning and other person is in charge of the game changes the rule part way through it to benefit. When they start losing it again, change it again.

How hard is it to define an unscanparcel???? It should be rather simple that anything that is paid as parcel is parcel for a normal person. So those dream catchers you get, parcel because I guarantee if I took one to post office, I would get charge a parcel.

 

[Twingrlie]

Just so I am not assuming, are you saying without a barcode even if sender paid parcel rates. That it is not considered a parcel just because it does not have a barcode? This is also the stance of your local and according to you national stance?

If it’s a flat or letter without a barcode, it’s not an unscannable parcel under RRECS. It’s not the stance of my “local”, it’s the stance of the panel, the Postal Service, and the Union. It doesn’t take much to make a phone call to National to get confirmation.

It needs to be an obvious parcel with no barcode to use unscannable parcel.

 

[Twingrlie]

You know what RRECS reminds me of especially the talk of unscanparcel?

It reminds me of being a kid and playing a game where you start winning and other person is in charge of the game changes the rule part way through it to benefit. When they start losing it again, change it again.

How hard is it to define an unscanparcel???? It should be rather simple that anything that is paid as parcel is parcel for a normal person. So those dream catchers you get, parcel because I guarantee if I took one to post office, I would get charge a parcel.

The sender doesn’t even pay parcel rates for those “dreamcatchers” carriers get. They’re sent standard lol. You guys want credit for stuff that’s tossed if it’s undeliverable.