We are being cut and working on our recommendations. I know under the old system we got 2 minutes per box plus the volume factor for each curbside. Does anyone know exactly what the volume factor includes now? It is a weekly number per box, correct? When giving to another route does the volume factor stay with those boxes in determining the new evaluation? I know it will change after surveys but need to know until then
Volume Factor
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The old 2 minutes was for non L routes and curb at that. The RECEIVING route gets the time as determined by and FROM the donating route's data. The old volume factor USED to be pretty much what was left after you deducted all of the fixed values on a route. With RRECS and all of the new categories I don't know but still would think the volume factor is determined the same. The thing with these quasi adjustments is that they are using a system mostly like the old system but factoring in the coverage factor which is a new vector. You can take a look at the attachment and get an idea of how this "works".
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Thank you for the info. But that is a terrible way to figure this out. No wonder so many routes are tanking after cuts. using this example, my 59:05 route would have to give up 129 boxes to get down to the 51 hour threshold to make a 43K route. With the package volume lost by giving that many boxes away, I would be an H route immediately. And this is on a 382 box, 140 mile route each day. How did the Union ever agree to such a thing??
Yeah, it's not sitting well with many a carrier even if they are not adjusted. To make a long story short because I could go on for pages in explanation, the PO implemented a system that was nowhere near ready to go and there have been several "patches" like MOUs, agreements, etc. to just keep on going with RRECS. The thing about all of this is that all of these "patches" circumvent the original system and make a bad situation even worse. The longer we work under RRECS, the more faults, flaws, and shortcomings with the system are exposed. It is all so convoluted and when you really think about , pretty much everyone involved have made our pay system way more complicated and difficult than it should be. I mean, did we really need THREE engineers to evaluate taking paper towels to the door ?
Missed a scan
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Welcome to the RRECS system. It works really good for the post office.
and I am afraid it will continue to worsen as time goes on..so sad for the rural craft!
damifiknow
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i keep on tellin you i knew all of this 3 years ago and have improved my rt by almost 2 hours since i figured it out , im up for hire i will make your rt increase , another that i trained took an ox from 2 hours to 4 in about 2.5 years
Rt2mailman
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Give us a list of how you did it, I have also done this. My way comes from determination to make every movement and moment count, and sometimes count twice. How did you fo it?
She mails rural
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Yep everything I said from the beginning! They say we can't strike they say we don't have any leverage but I haven't heard we can't stop participating in the shambles of this pay system. I say nationwide everyone keep their scanners in the cradle, don't remove them for any reason go back to old school for everything we do. Why not take a stand.
damifiknow
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i think there are moles/trools on this iste i have told you that im willing to train anyone im out of work for health reasons and could use the cash
Yet here is the sad thing. They had 12+ years to figure this out and they still screwed the pooch on this one.
A REAL !#$#@ING UNION WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE let's fix this before we screw our carriers out of thousands and thousands of dollars and days off.
Instead we said !$@#$ IT and just started it with all of these flaws and more flaws found. I mean while carriers are suffering thousands and ten thousands of dollars pay cut and losing a day off.
Just like example, in my area they cut Amazon in my old office I think like 3 weeks after they cut the 2 routes that were 48K. Anyone wanna bet money what happens next count when they are unfrozen? There needs to be clause to protect carriers to get back their part of the route that was cut if they drop into H because no way it would make them overburdened especially if a MAJOR EVENT HAPPENS such as lost of Amazon. The whole process of cutting route is a !#@%$ING JOKE. Now the union was perfectly fine implement before it was correct and guess what? NOW WE HAVE TO PROVE IT IS WRONG WHEN IF WE STOPPED IT BEFORE USPS WOULD HAVE TO PROVE TO UNION IT WAS RIGHT.
Remember what I posted about RRECS, we are almost in Stage 2 of Stage 3.
IMPLEMENT & FIX LATER
IMPLEMENT & WAIT LONGER (STEP 4)
IMPLEMENT & FORGET
3 stages of RRECS with NRLCA
jsthere723
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I do not think your calculation is right . To get rid of 7/8 hrs in standard hrs you are thinking you have to give up 129 boxes out of 382 boxes !!! 34% of your deliveries? It does not make sense . From top of my head I would think it is more like 50/60 boxes . No more than 70 anyway . Please keep us posted how does it turn out
I got my postmaster to email me the spreadsheet they use for route cut calculations and the instruction Power Point. I have tinkering with numbers and have 2 routes out of the 5 figured out what needs to be taken off the overburdened and added to J route. I think she sent the spreadsheet files so I would do the work for her 
. That's fine, I understand it better than anyone else in the office anyway
. That's fine, I understand it better than anyone else in the office anyway140 mile route is LONG...yet only 382 boxes? You must have a lot of driving with no boxes?
Certain sections are. True rural farms with a mile or more between stops but then I have clusters of subdivisions built along both sides of the lake next to town. 15 boxes on one post type set ups
