What do you want out of the new contract?

[Surprise!]

I would like to end, most productive group gets paid the least.



Once upon a time, I am really old, we were told the productivity of the America worker made them high paid. Traditional idea was the company bought the machinery to make the worker productive. The worker learned how to use it in an effective manner. The company and the worker then sheared in the profits.



The Postal Service uses a very different approach. They don't invest anything in Rural Carrier's to increase productivity. They have a system for the City Carriers that is obviously inferior to the Rural Carriers. We may tell because the City Carrier standards are so much lower.



When the Rural Carriers are shown to be more productive the Postal Service does not share any of the profits with the Rural Carriers in the long term.



In other areas people expect to get a larger chunk of the money for showing greater productivity.

 

[DB.Cooper]

I believe we have the only union that gave away our Postal medical discount over what other federal employees get.

Two times now, I saw video from upper Postal Management stating that they have supported the employees. Leaving the impression that we owe them.

I now believe this up coming contract is going to be the worst we have ever seen. I want to get through this in one piece.

I'm hoping, neither RRECS nor this contract will be implemented before 2022....

Btw.... every ten years is a bloodbath.... 2002 Wells.... 2012 Table 2 and other madness.... 2022???? Gawd knows..... as I go, I'll bid you all a, SEE YA, SURE WOULDN'T WANNA BE YA!!! ? ?

 

[btdtret]

Surprise! et al -- "Traditional idea was the company bought the machinery to make the worker productive. The worker learned how to use it in an effective manner. The company and the worker then sheared in the profits. The Postal Service uses a very different approach. They don't invest anything in Rural Carrier's to increase productivity."

-- Arbitrator Clarke seemed to take a different view in his "award". ( keep in mind that this is from 2012, long before Amazon, etc ) ( and it may be an apples vs oranges argument when comparing productivity vs efficiency ). And we know rural carriers delivery more than city carriers, nevertheless ....

- "However, the USPS argues that increases in time paid for but not worked caused not by employee's working harder and smarter, but rather by USPS capital investments, should result in benefits to the USPS."

- "The evidence convinces the Chairperson that the introduction of LLV's created efficiencies for Rural Letter Carriers. The USPS presented credible evidence that Rural Letter Carriers who used LLV's enjoyed an increase of 28% in the amount of time paid for but not worked, about 13.5 minutes per day/81 minutes per week, when compared to Rural Letter Carriers using their own vehicles."

- "The evidence was further corroborated by the USPS's 4240 study, which sampled 700 rural routes, and found that the time paid for but not worked was 57% larger for routes with LLV's as compared to personal vehicles." ( BFD -- 700 routes out of 73,600!! That is about 0.009% -- talk about cherry picking!! )

-- As an aside, please note the USPS's mention of "time paid for but not worked". We never hear the NRLCA mention "free work done but not paid for when a carrier works over evaluation".

-- Not that it matters, but a BILLION dollar plus investment in the flat sorting machines didn't seem to help anyone's productivity or efficiency!

-- Anyone here remember when the LLV first were used?

 

[Surprise!]

Surprise! et al -- "Traditional idea was the company bought the machinery to make the worker productive. The worker learned how to use it in an effective manner. The company and the worker then sheared in the profits. The Postal Service uses a very different approach. They don't invest anything in Rural Carrier's to increase productivity."

-- Arbitrator Clarke seemed to take a different view in his "award". ( keep in mind that this is from 2012, long before Amazon, etc ) ( and it may be an apples vs oranges argument when comparing productivity vs efficiency ). And we know rural carriers delivery more than city carriers, nevertheless ....

- "However, the USPS argues that increases in time paid for but not worked caused not by employee's working harder and smarter, but rather by USPS capital investments, should result in benefits to the USPS."

- "The evidence convinces the Chairperson that the introduction of LLV's created efficiencies for Rural Letter Carriers. The USPS presented credible evidence that Rural Letter Carriers who used LLV's enjoyed an increase of 28% in the amount of time paid for but not worked, about 13.5 minutes per day/81 minutes per week, when compared to Rural Letter Carriers using their own vehicles."

- "The evidence was further corroborated by the USPS's 4240 study, which sampled 700 rural routes, and found that the time paid for but not worked was 57% larger for routes with LLV's as compared to personal vehicles." ( BFD -- 700 routes out of 73,600!! That is about 0.009% -- talk about cherry picking!! )

-- As an aside, please note the USPS's mention of "time paid for but not worked". We never hear the NRLCA mention "free work done but not paid for when a carrier works over evaluation".

-- Not that it matters, but a BILLION dollar plus investment in the flat sorting machines didn't seem to help anyone's productivity or efficiency!

-- Anyone here remember when the LLV first were used?

after 1995 for my office but not a lot later.

 

[Wilco183]

Surprise! et al -- "Traditional idea was the company bought the machinery to make the worker productive. The worker learned how to use it in an effective manner. The company and the worker then sheared in the profits. The Postal Service uses a very different approach. They don't invest anything in Rural Carrier's to increase productivity."

-- Arbitrator Clarke seemed to take a different view in his "award". ( keep in mind that this is from 2012, long before Amazon, etc ) ( and it may be an apples vs oranges argument when comparing productivity vs efficiency ). And we know rural carriers delivery more than city carriers, nevertheless ....

- "However, the USPS argues that increases in time paid for but not worked caused not by employee's working harder and smarter, but rather by USPS capital investments, should result in benefits to the USPS."

- "The evidence convinces the Chairperson that the introduction of LLV's created efficiencies for Rural Letter Carriers. The USPS presented credible evidence that Rural Letter Carriers who used LLV's enjoyed an increase of 28% in the amount of time paid for but not worked, about 13.5 minutes per day/81 minutes per week, when compared to Rural Letter Carriers using their own vehicles."

- "The evidence was further corroborated by the USPS's 4240 study, which sampled 700 rural routes, and found that the time paid for but not worked was 57% larger for routes with LLV's as compared to personal vehicles." ( BFD -- 700 routes out of 73,600!! That is about 0.009% -- talk about cherry picking!! )

-- As an aside, please note the USPS's mention of "time paid for but not worked". We never hear the NRLCA mention "free work done but not paid for when a carrier works over evaluation".

-- Not that it matters, but a BILLION dollar plus investment in the flat sorting machines didn't seem to help anyone's productivity or efficiency!

-- Anyone here remember when the LLV first were used?

Yep, I probably delivered regular boxes that much faster in an LLV vs my RHD Jeep. Nothing to do with the LLV tray...just more willing to beat the crap out of their's as opposed to my own.

 

[Wilco183]

Or perhaps the LLV times were the correct norm and POV drivers should have been provided more evaluated compensation for not being provided with the complete tools to do the job.

 

[hockey94]

Yep, I probably delivered regular boxes that much faster in an LLV vs my RHD Jeep. Nothing to do with the LLV tray...just more willing to beat the crap out of their's as opposed to my own.

When I was an RCA, and used LLV's to help out wherever, I would beat the Sh*( out of the LLV's. Probably not advisable now with these scanners !

 

[Surprise!]

When I was an RCA, and used LLV's to help out wherever, I would beat the Sh*( out of the LLV's. Probably not advisable now with these scanners !

It is not. The scanners have picked up fast acceleration and deceleration when I was delivering.

 

[junkchucker]

Elimination of Table 2. Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he??? ??‍

 

[Itstillfun]

Elimination of Table 2. Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he??? ??‍

Table 2 gotta get rid if table 1 first. The machines dream 4 sure.

 

[DB.Cooper]

Elimination of Table 2. Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he??? ??‍

NALC recently got a new top pay step added to their pay tables... what about us??? ?‍ ?

 

[junkchucker]

NALC recently got a new top pay step added to their pay tables... what about us??? ?‍ ?

I suppose I should be grateful. They did add two more steps to table 2 on the last contract, making me equally compensated with my table 1 peers on the FOURTEENTH step! Just have to put 14 years in to get there! ?

 

[DB.Cooper]

I suppose I should be grateful. They did add two more steps to table 2 on the last contract, making me equally compensated with my table 1 peers on the FOURTEENTH step! Just have to put 14 years in to get there! ?

NALC has their Table 2 caught up to Table 1 in 12 years.... and now they both have a new top pay step.... still feeling "grateful"???? ??‍

 

[mwellis32]

Take time standards off the table. Stop putting a time value on delivering parcels, letters flats, and everything we do. Instead put a price on everything we do. Examples, 10 cents per letter, 15 cents per flat, 50 cents per parcel,10 cents per mailbox, $1 per mile. This way no one can put a time value on it but only limit your pay by how many items you are delivering. This way everyone gets paid the same for doing the same work. Put a minimum per day when no mail shows and a maximum per day when double work load hits, to not be overworked.
1000 letters =$100. 200 flats =$30, 200 parcels = $100, 600 mailboxes = $60, 50 miles =$50, something along these lines. But how can we trust the counters again?

Giving RCA's more benefits so they see a future in this job instead of worked to death dead end. And so everyone can TAKE A DAY OFF!
REWARD WORKERS and NOT KILL THEM!

 

[mwellis32]

A box of dog food today to one address isn’t the same the next day, because the dog is out, or there are customer questions in the process of delivery.

Hourly would not be terrible considering the alternatives.

Yep and paid by the POUND!

 

[mwellis32]

Or could have the chain gang to do it? SAVE on Labor to hire guards with shotguns to keep the help from running away. Guard would say, I told you to take that box a dog food all the way to the porch! Not thru the back woods! Was you trying to run away. Or get back over here and case every letter, cause I told you too! Don't look at me like that or I'll have you to use the broke down scanner today, boy!

 

[mwellis32]

Surprise! et al -- "Traditional idea was the company bought the machinery to make the worker productive. The worker learned how to use it in an effective manner. The company and the worker then sheared in the profits. The Postal Service uses a very different approach. They don't invest anything in Rural Carrier's to increase productivity."

-- Arbitrator Clarke seemed to take a different view in his "award". ( keep in mind that this is from 2012, long before Amazon, etc ) ( and it may be an apples vs oranges argument when comparing productivity vs efficiency ). And we know rural carriers delivery more than city carriers, nevertheless ....

- "However, the USPS argues that increases in time paid for but not worked caused not by employee's working harder and smarter, but rather by USPS capital investments, should result in benefits to the USPS."

- "The evidence convinces the Chairperson that the introduction of LLV's created efficiencies for Rural Letter Carriers. The USPS presented credible evidence that Rural Letter Carriers who used LLV's enjoyed an increase of 28% in the amount of time paid for but not worked, about 13.5 minutes per day/81 minutes per week, when compared to Rural Letter Carriers using their own vehicles."

- "The evidence was further corroborated by the USPS's 4240 study, which sampled 700 rural routes, and found that the time paid for but not worked was 57% larger for routes with LLV's as compared to personal vehicles." ( BFD -- 700 routes out of 73,600!! That is about 0.009% -- talk about cherry picking!! )

-- As an aside, please note the USPS's mention of "time paid for but not worked". We never hear the NRLCA mention "free work done but not paid for when a carrier works over evaluation".

-- Not that it matters, but a BILLION dollar plus investment in the flat sorting machines didn't seem to help anyone's productivity or efficiency!

-- Anyone here remember when the LLV first were used?

It was the machine and not the way I used it or my own abilities that made me so fast and efficient? Very interesting! Speeding head on toward hourly!

 

[mwellis32]

More pay for more work would be nice! A day off! Nice boss! Honest pay system! HELP! And a partridge in a pear treee!

You HEAR US STUTTS???

 

[Itstillfun]

Or could have the chain gang to do it? SAVE on Labor to hire guards with shotguns to keep the help from running away. Guard would say, I told you to take that box a dog food all the way to the porch! Not thru the back woods! Was you trying to run away. Or get back over here and case every letter, cause I told you too! Don't look at me like that or I'll have you to use the broke down scanner today, boy!

Man thanx for getting me out of that box. It's claustrophobia. Drive the most broke down sorry I asked Famous LLV. That's a whip with my name on it. Cerrrrackkkk that whip

 

[Gyros6875]

1. RCA time should count toward retirement. It is pretty depressing how 7 years of working counts for nothing. Make it based on the number of 40 hour weeks you work.

2. We should have sick days and time off. Again these can be earned based on hours worked.

3. RCAs should get paid hourly if they go over evaluation on Mondays or days after a holiday. It is very unfair to work for a regular that has a Monday K day and be screwed every week on hours.

4. Extra pay for any additional hours worked after 10 or 12 hours a day.

5. Holiday pay when required to work holidays.

6. Paid Holidays

7. Required to be off at least 1 day per week. (if the RCA wants they can volunteer to work 7 days a week)

The short of it is a lot of RCAs work more days and longer hours than regular carriers. It is just insane that we get almost none of the benefits that Regular carriers receive. When they are only responsible for delivering a single route every day while we are required to know every route in the office and work Sundays/Holidays delivering packages.

I get that "everyone suffered" being an RCA but that doesn't mean we have to keep the job horrible for everyone forever. Especially if Regular carriers want RCAs available so they can take time off.