Worried about busting

bmdub · Mar 4, 2018

I've been a 42J since the route was last counted a year and a half ago. I just finished entering my first week into the calculator and it's just over 62 hours with a box factor of 6. I'm really worried of getting completely screwed over when I bust. My route is comprised of one apartment complex with around 270 boxes and a small business park full of chinese reshippers that get a ton of parcels (I drive a 2ton on the route.)

There's no way they'll cut the businesses and start playing musical chairs with vehicles as whoever got those businesses would now need a 2 ton. That leaves just the apartment complex for cutting and at my box factor it's worth over 26 hours. To bring me back up to a 43K after cutting the apartment they'd need to add at least 800 boxes from another route with a normal box factor. That would completely screw me and add hours and hours to my day for less pay.

I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to prevent this? I currently complete my route below the 42J evaluation. Is it hopeless? Do I start not pulling out the signature confirmation parcels during the second week of count? Start stacking all my parcel pickups into tubs and saying they came that way making them count as one? I was excited before the count to finally start getting paid for all the work I do but now I'm nervous as can be about how this will turn out.

FrozenToes · Mar 4, 2018

I would first make sure you don't have any data entry errors. If you want. PM me all the info: mileage, boxes, ndcbu, etc.. Then all of the totals. make sure to tell me how many days' total it is.

I'm way over too. My concern. Route gets cut. Then Amazon starts delivering. Route goes down more.

We do still have a week left. Usually second week is worst for my route. Hard to tell though, this time, since it's the beginning of the month.

Rt2mailman · Mar 4, 2018

They will typically be required to cut after a route grows past 46K hours back to a 43. That could mean they cut your apartments off in such a way that you service the portion that keeps you at a 43 hours and leave the businesses on your route. I have seen routes cut in such a way that 2 routes work out of the same cluster box each day, just to "save" the USPS money, while each carriers got credit for the same parcel locker, and collection.

MiddleOfNowhere · Mar 4, 2018

are you putting pkgs. pickup up in proper col? 22 or 23? it seems highly unlikely to me, that you could make a 62 hour actual route, in 42j time.

btdtret · Mar 4, 2018

bmdub -- "I drive a 2ton on the route."

-- Please be more descriptive as an LLV grosses out at 4450 lbs ( making it a 2-ton )

-- No telling what manglement would have in mind if your route needs "adjustment" after the new evaluations take place.

-- Page 45 of the contract spells out a carrier's rights in route adjustments. Be prepared.

" I was excited before the count to finally start getting paid for all the work I do.."

-- Sad to say that will only happen when the rural craft is allowed to go hourly -- just like the other three postal craft unions.

-- Take up "FrozenToes" offer as he/she is the guru of count calculators.

"Do I start not pulling out the signature confirmation parcels during the second week of count? Start stacking all my parcel pickups into tubs and saying they came that way making them count as one? "

-- Not advisable! Page 13 of the Mail Count Guide: It is unacceptable for either management or rural carriers to take any actions that may affect the integrity of the mail count. ( it is probably in bold print for a reason ) ( and usually does not apply to manglement )

bmdub · Mar 4, 2018

The numbers are all good. I entered them right off the 4241 which I had already cross checked with the daily count sheets. The route is 19 miles with about 450 centralized boxes total but after the first week I've got over 1400 parcels, 2300 scans, over 500 parcels picked up and over 100 accountable items along with over 260 minutes of load time. It's all because of the handful of reshippers that get 80+ parcels a day a piece. Nearly all of my parcels picked up are priority and come loose and I have to scan every one so they all go in #22.

bmdub · Mar 4, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">btdtret said 
bmdub -- "I drive a 2ton on the route."

-- Please be more descriptive as an LLV grosses out at 4450 lbs ( making it a 2-ton )
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It's the postal 2ton that's just a size below requiring a commercial drivers license. They're usually used for collections routes but I fill one up daily with the packages from about 7 reshippers.

MiddleOfNowhere · Mar 4, 2018

Sad to say that will only happen when the rural craft is allowed to go hourly - if there running a 62 hour route in under 42j time, they are getting more pay than if they were hourly. you wouldn't get paid for what you do, but for how long it takes.

btdtret · Mar 4, 2018

bmdub -- Thanx.

-- Maybe a "step-van" would be a better description ( for me anyways ).

-- In any case the assignment of that vehicle will no doubt create some additional problems in a route adjustment.

-- If you are making a 42J eval with numbers like that -- my hat is off to you!

-- Hopefully you don't burn out or damage your body beyond reasonable repair.

FrozenToes · Mar 4, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">bmdub said 
The numbers are all good. I entered them right off the 4241 which I had already cross checked with the daily count sheets. The route is 19 miles with about 450 centralized boxes total but after the first week I've got over 1400 parcels, 2300 scans, over 500 parcels picked up and over 100 accountable items along with over 260 minutes of load time. It's all because of the handful of reshippers that get 80+ parcels a day a piece. Nearly all of my parcels picked up are priority and come loose and I have to scan every one so they all go in #22. </blockquote>
100 accountables , wow.( I have 12 through 6 days) You have some volume.

FrozenToes · Mar 6, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">bmdub said 
The numbers are all good. I entered them right off the 4241 which I had already cross checked with the daily count sheets. The route is 19 miles with about 450 centralized boxes total but after the first week I've got over 1400 parcels, 2300 scans, over 500 parcels picked up and over 100 accountable items along with over 260 minutes of load time. It's all because of the handful of reshippers that get 80+ parcels a day a piece. Nearly all of my parcels picked up are priority and come loose and I have to scan every one so they all go in #22. </blockquote>
Sorry, wasn't paying attention. PM sent. Looks right on.

Morty · Mar 7, 2018

The contract doesn't specify a # like 43k. You may be able to argue for an overburdened 48k.

sonofnothing · Mar 9, 2018

<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">btdtret said 
bmdub -- "I drive a 2ton on the route."

-- Please be more descriptive as an LLV grosses out at 4450 lbs ( making it a 2-ton )
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<blockquote>The LLV weighs 2 tons, but does not have a 2 ton carrying capacity. The 2 ton diesel box trucks weight quite a bit more than 2 tons, they can tow or carry 2 MORE tons in the back. </blockquote>

sonofnothing · Mar 9, 2018

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<blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote">bmdub said 
The numbers are all good. I entered them right off the 4241 which I had already cross checked with the daily count sheets. The route is 19 miles with about 450 centralized boxes total but after the first week I've got over 1400 parcels, 2300 scans, over 500 parcels picked up and over 100 accountable items along with over 260 minutes of load time. It's all because of the handful of reshippers that get 80+ parcels a day a piece. Nearly all of my parcels picked up are priority and come loose and I have to scan every one so they all go in #22. </blockquote>
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<blockquote>How in the hell was this ever evaluated as a 42J to begin with? My route got 1222 parcels for the count, and 1200 scans. A whopping 42 total accountables, and it's coming in at 46:30 43J</blockquote>