WTF

[ChillChia]

So if I count every flat I get for a day and it's 100. Some is bundled and some is not. The person counting tells me that I got 75 flats today that she counted and put into the form. I check RADAR out abs it says I have ZERO bundled flats.

What happened to the other 25 flats? If they say it's on another days report, and can't specifically point to which day it is on, I should dispute the 75 number they credited me with as I had a verified 100 flats.

Wait, I thought bundled flats, like shrink-wrapped flats and strapped flats, weren’t counted in the Mini Mail Survey.

 

[TheDude]

Wait, I thought bundled flats, like shrink-wrapped flats and strapped flats, weren’t counted in the Mini Mail Survey.

They aren't supposed to be.

All I am saying is that if I physically got 100 flats at my case, bundled and loose, and the person counting said I had 50 loose and the other 50 AREN'T counted as they are bundled.......I still had 100 total flats. If the RADAR and the hand counted stuff don't equal 100 something is wrong. And as the system can't possibly be wrong, and it cant be edited, I want the loose to be changed to 75 so that the loose and RADAR equal what I ACTUALLY GOT.

If I had 100 flats at my case, they better be able to PROVE that I got credit for 100 flats.

 

[Augsburg]

And you'd have a hard time disputing using RADAR anyway. The numbers from EOR should be accurate but the pre-sort aren't expected to match anything on a day by day basis. And yes I'm not even referring about the two days late aspect.

I have counted over a month's worth of radar . Most of the numbers are 95%+ accurate. The bundled flats are not. Over a months time they have not added up. Yes they are short. Some days 5-6 short some days 50-60 short.
Even if they are "late" every week should add up to my weeks count because radar zeros out every Sunday.

 

[Cappy]

I have counted over a month's worth of radar . Most of the numbers are 95%+ accurate. The bundled flats are not. Over a months time they have not added up. Yes they are short. Some days 5-6 short some days 50-60 short.
Even if they are "late" every week should add up to my weeks count because radar zeros out every Sunday.

I assume you've been counting tub flats? When you say 95%+ accurate is it in both the carrier and the PO's favor, or does it lean one way in particular?

 

[Voglio-il mio]

"The time standards for Carrier Pickups begin in the office with S026 (Process carrier
pick‐up event forms). For Carrier Pick Up Request forms received by the carrier, the
route is credited with 0.114 minutes or 6.84 seconds to handle and verify the form."

Based on what you quoted above it shouldn't be credited as a Raw Flat also then.

 

[Old Fart]

Here we are again. The union and the post office management told us we'd be able to verify our mail of all kinds, most done electronically and some done by the PM.

Apparently it was a lie. We can't match anything exactly. And what can be deciphered from the RADAR report, it's a hassle, time consuming, and meant for us not to bother.

 

[Augsburg]

I assume you've been counting tub flats? When you say 95%+ accurate is it in both the carrier and the PO's favor, or does it lean one way in particular?

The tub flats are very accurate ive only been a few off. When it does go in our favor it's because the mis-sorts/sents are counted, but the 5% is +/-.

I've also ran the rrecsulator for the routes in the office and everyone is basically staying the same (yes more work for the same money is bad) . We're an amazon office. So 54% was base salary 20% packages 20% mail 6% mail count. So if amazon leaves it would be expected that we'd loose about 13% of pay. Those numbers had 1 hour of load/return2du so there is room to gain.

 

[Cappy]

The tub flats are very accurate ive only been a few off. When it does go in our favor it's because the mis-sorts/sents are counted, but the 5% is +/-.

I've also ran the rrecsulator for the routes in the office and everyone is basically staying the same (yes more work for the same money is bad) . We're an amazon office. So 54% was base salary 20% packages 20% mail 6% mail count. So if amazon leaves it would be expected that we'd loose about 13% of pay. Those numbers had 1 hour of load/return2du so there is room to gain.

Interesting, thanks for the follow-up. I've noticed when volume is low, the counts are very accurate (NLM, as well). The only big discrepancy has come on a Monday with 2 full tubs. I've been +1 on one day, the rest was short. I've also only been counting for one week, so I'll continue to do so throughout count and for the rest of the month. I may be running into an unlucky streak this first week.

I don't have my drive time intervals for the calculator and no idea how RADAR and Box Coverage Factor will play out, but the daily is giving me 7.9h on my worst day and 11h on my heaviest. Using the 1h LOAD/EOS, as well. Last count was 2018 with Amazon and I'm still delivering about half Amazon. They don't like my rough roads. I was guesstimating my parcels though, I had only tracked door deliveries. Going to hyper focus on packages this coming week, for in box and door, trips, unscans etc. Going to hound sup for some kind of scan/package data and see if its matching up consistently. IMO, that will be the most important aspect and not worrying about a flat or two being off. Engineer's Report did describe GPS points not logging properly and I'm curious how often this occurs. I imagine that varies a lot by location.

 

[RDruckus]

Here we are again. The union and the post office management told us we'd be able to verify our mail of all kinds, most done electronically and some done by the PM.

Apparently it was a lie. We can't match anything exactly. And what can be deciphered from the RADAR report, it's a hassle, time consuming, and meant for us not to bother.

This.

 

[csparks]

They aren't supposed to be.

All I am saying is that if I physically got 100 flats at my case, bundled and loose, and the person counting said I had 50 loose and the other 50 AREN'T counted as they are bundled.......I still had 100 total flats. If the RADAR and the hand counted stuff don't equal 100 something is wrong. And as the system can't possibly be wrong, and it cant be edited, I want the loose to be changed to 75 so that the loose and RADAR equal what I ACTUALLY GOT.

If I had 100 flats at my case, they better be able to PROVE that I got credit for 100 flats.

I don't get the basics of this. You get 100 flats, but on paper its says 50?
Isn't that the same as getting paid to deliver 60 parcels, but delivering 120?

I know from experience this is that way the job works.

 

[Augsburg]

Interesting, thanks for the follow-up. I've noticed when volume is low, the counts are very accurate (NLM, as well). The only big discrepancy has come on a Monday with 2 full tubs. I've been +1 on one day, the rest was short. I've also only been counting for one week, so I'll continue to do so throughout count and for the rest of the month. I may be running into an unlucky streak this first week.

I don't have my drive time intervals for the calculator and no idea how RADAR and Box Coverage Factor will play out, but the daily is giving me 7.9h on my worst day and 11h on my heaviest. Using the 1h LOAD/EOS, as well. Last count was 2018 with Amazon and I'm still delivering about half Amazon. They don't like my rough roads. I was guesstimating my parcels though, I had only tracked door deliveries. Going to hyper focus on packages this coming week, for in box and door, trips, unscans etc. Going to hound sup for some kind of scan/package data and see if its matching up consistently. IMO, that will be the most important aspect and not worrying about a flat or two being off. Engineer's Report did describe GPS points not logging properly and I'm curious how often this occurs. I imagine that varies a lot by location.

The drive time is miles ÷ (mail stops + stop signs, yield rr tracks). Multiplied by 5280, then find the driving matrix mph category it falls into. Finally divide miles by the matrix mph to get the daily drive time.

I would focus on an average (2-3 weeks) of mail and packages with no extras (signatures certifieds extra trips/dismounts) then anything else you do is like a bonus at the end if the year. I think uts a hood way to stay motivated and positive .

Good luck !

 

[Grant carter]

Had Costco magazines on Saturday. Radar shows 0 bundled flats on Saturday Radar. 130 on Mondays. I had 8 bundles. Someone in the office counted the costcos. Averaged 27 per bundle. Not pan radar after 2 days. What is gong on?? Sure not wanting to trust the radar report.....

Are we counting bundled flats?

 

[sub06]

so your bundled flats, shrink wrapped or plastic strapped flats should all be kept separate from your sorted flats. Sorted flats get a little sticky note with the number put on them by whoever counted them so you can verify the amount is correct. Keep all your sticky notes with the numbers for letters and flats and write the date on them. As your adding sticky notes for the day, MMM and forwards etc... keep them all together for that day. I stick them on the EOR for the day. There is a daily sheet they give you, signed by them with the numbers and you verify their numbers to your numbers to make sure they match. Then, you count your bundled flats and write the number down on that days EOR so when you finally get the RADAR you can compare your bundled flats number to the RADAR reports for that day. Do this for 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure the bundled flats number being far off will be the number one reason most will not sign to verify the survey.

We got nothing lol. no sticky notes no numbers just and subs i asked today about the upside down letters and they knew nothing about it. Great way to base my pay

 

[neciat]

Here's one for EVERYONE to march in and ask about tomorrow. I brought it up today with my PM. Just WHERE are the numbers for ALL of the WSH letters they are running in DPS ? Remember, WSH and LOT are part of the ECR program that the mailers give the PO the numbers. So, those numbers SHOULD be on a report SOMEWHERE. There is no difference , with respect to mailers having to submit numbers , between letters and flats. Now, the FLATS are on a report. Granted, that number is suspect at best but at least there is a number there. I have YET to see even a column for the letters. The route gets credited for the number of WSH / LOT and then they run them in DPS for a second ( pathetic ) credit. Point being, there SHOULD be a number available on a report somewhere for us to see. My PM did send an email regarding my question / request. I understand why they run WSS in the DPS . I don't like it but I understand why. WSS is one WE WOULD enter. Ether I came up with ANOTHER issue or someone can clear me up on this if I am the one missing something.

 

[2Laps2Go]

I had a letter sized WSS in my DPS today. If it wasn't there I would only have had less than 200 letters total for the day. (No raw) Tuesdays are usually light but geez come on where's my routes mail?

 

[She mails rural]

I still can't get over I had 304 bundled flats Monday but I only got credit for 98? Dang traditional mail counts they wouldn't of sent that much but at least what they sent got counted right. This rrecs steals right in front of your eyes! Boy oh boy if this isn't a hoax I don't know what is.

 

[Rt2mailman]

If the Usps wanted transparency they would have the mailers place barcodes on all the bundled flats. Then we ALL could see when they entered the system, how long it took to get to us, when they were delivered. We could scan each barcode at our cases and we would know the exact number and the day (on the day) we delivered them.
Why will this never happen?
TOO MUCH TRANSPARENCY.

 

[Old Fart]

I still can't get over I had 304 bundled flats Monday but I only got credit for 98? Dang traditional mail counts they wouldn't of sent that much but at least what they sent got counted right. This rrecs steals right in front of your eyes! Boy oh boy if this isn't a hoax I don't know what is.

Yes. And in the end of whatever period you match with, the carriers always get less credit than a physical carrier count. Find that a bit odd??

 

[Old Fart]

You are asking why they don’t double count, even though they mishandled them and processed them more than they should have to pump up their numbers? Wait….

Although we do pay a price for missing the coverage factor, I think that’s mostly a non factor in why. I think it’s solely about maintaining utilization.

The plant doing plant things for the plant. Why do they run letters on the AFSM machines? I don’t know, as I have never worked in a plant, but they do without hesitation as many days I have over 200 “flats” that are in reality by dimension and postage, letters.

Perhaps that’s part of the answer. If we were honest about our volume inflows and processing, our utilization would be much worse and we would face even more immediate consolidations. Perhaps if volume and utilization were honest, other precipitous actions would also occur.

I believe in honesty for better or worse, but not everyone does.

You touched on one huge problem the post office has. System integration. The plant does what's good for the plant, they don't give two craps for what's good for the offices. They run, ship what works for their scorecards, without really any regard for the offices. Over the past years our PM's have connected with plant managers about issues, and the plant just does as it does. They do not report into the same leaders.

To take a bite out of my former corporate experience, it was imperative that manufacturing, production, logistics ALL were aligned for efficiency with sales, marketing and customers. Everyone was on the same page, We had exempt and non exempt ( union and non union) but we worked together for common goals. When DeJoy attempted to try to align plants just slightly when he first came aboard, the plant workers staged a slowdown, jammed machines etc to get him to abandon any changes, which worked.

 

[EthelAnne]

You touched on one huge problem the post office has. System integration. The plant does what's good for the plant, they don't give two craps for what's good for the offices. They run, ship what works for their scorecards, without really any regard for the offices. Over the past years our PM's have connected with plant managers about issues, and the plant just does as it does. They do not report into the same leaders.

To take a bite out of my former corporate experience, it was imperative that manufacturing, production, logistics ALL were aligned for efficiency with sales, marketing and customers. Everyone was on the same page, We had exempt and non exempt ( union and non union) but we worked together for common goals. When DeJoy attempted to try to align plants just slightly when he first came aboard, the plant workers staged a slowdown, jammed machines etc to get him to abandon any changes, which worked.

This post is spot on. I was in a meeting with s bunch of PMs who were complaining about issues with the plant and the district official who was running the meeting just shook his head and said (about the plant) “It’s like they work for a different company.”

And @Old Fart is exactly right: the goals /objectives of the plants currently do not align with the goals/objectives of the offices they (supposedly) serve.