Required to use Load Truck (Scan) for Auxiliary

[Jbmwolf53]

During our count in office, 3 Auxiliary Routes are required to use Load Truck scan feature.
They are being timed for this while loading.

My question:

Besides the extra time to load, would we also get more scans in box 15? For scanning items into back of vehicle.

I have looked and found nothing so far on NRLCA website or this website for a reference to this answer.

 

[gotstamps]

No, because you are getting timed for the function. To pay scan time also would be double pay for the same scan.
Just to add… unless the rest of the office was timed to use the Load Function, Mgmt cannot force without pay the other routes on green card or 8127 time. 8127 time would have to be approved by district since it would accumulate to over 60 minutes so mgmt usually does NOT require Regs to do it but will force subs to.

 

[Morty]

Have you ever used load truck regularly before this? Isn't this a little late to be asking for help after it's all said and done?

 

[Deer Smearer]

https://www.nrlca.org/Documents/WebContent/EditorDocuments/Q15R-4Q-C%2018112722%20MDD%20Loading%20Initiative.pdf

If they aren’t getting paid hourly, they why are they being required to even use load truck?

The third part of the link states scanning is included in load time, 15 seconds per scan is not.

 

[gotstamps]

https://www.nrlca.org/Documents/WebContent/EditorDocuments/Q15R-4Q-C%2018112722%20MDD%20Loading%20Initiative.pdf

If they aren’t getting paid hourly, they why are they being required to even use load truck?

The third part of the link states scanning is included in load time, 15 seconds per scan is not.

The OP was asking about being required during this mail count. As you’ve shown, the Auxiliary routes the OP was asking for CAN be required but since they are being timed, they do not get the “Scan” credit.

Some offices have taken to requiring subs to use the Load Function as a way to keep down the missing scans, misdeliveries, & backtracking to deliver missequence. These offices tell the subs that since they are hourly, they can require it. What subs need to realize is they are only “hourly” on a green card & after 40 hours of work. They are Salaried under 40 hours for their route assignments.

 

[oi veh.]

i may be incorrect, but i believe the hourly employees being referred to are those who work on sundays.
the original intent of this function was intended for city carriers only.

pay attention to the verbiage on the third letter:

Ruralinfo.net Knowledgebase

Rural carriers, find what you need fast!

knowledgebase.ruralinfo.net

 

[Worve]

Was tried here for us rcas as a mandated new task. All it took was 1 day on green card from all 5 of us to be Told never mind it does not include rural.

If it is apart of count and a timed function make sure to log out “accidentally“ every few scans. if it doesn’t scan properly in the first go punch in the numbers making sure each one is correct. Make it last as long as possible each and every day. When it starts costing them money they will not require it.

 

[hockey94]

This organization spends more time/effort figuring out ways to not pay people, really SAD !

 

[gotstamps]

i may be incorrect, but i believe the hourly employees being referred to are those who work on sundays.
the original intent of this function was intended for city carriers only.

pay attention to the verbiage on the third letter:

Ruralinfo.net Knowledgebase

Rural carriers, find what you need fast!

knowledgebase.ruralinfo.net

Pay attention to the first letter.
It is a settlement dated 2019 & does states that “management may require rural craft employees who are being compensated hourly to use the load truck feature.”

As long as RCAs are being paid on a green card, they are hourly. When their actual work hours exceed 40 hours, then they are hourly. If the Union meant strictly Sunday o Holidays when RCAs are paid hourly, they would have stated that.

 

[Morty]

I've spent the past 3 weeks using it just to figure it out.

Having figured it out, I would exploit the hell out of it. There truly is no point in it. It doesn't prompt you that you have a parcel.

You load the truck because you won't handle the parcels in the office. But since your allowed to mark parcels. You now mark your parcels using package lookahead. Thing is, the stopwatch doesn't stop until all mail loaded. So an hour after you load truck, you finally get your other load loaded. Looks all above board with the 2021 guide. I bet after the 1st day, load truck wouldn't be required. But I would force it in all its exploitable glory.

 

[gotstamps]

I've spent the past 3 weeks using it just to figure it out.

Having figured it out, I would exploit the hell out of it. There truly is no point in it. It doesn't prompt you that you have a parcel.

You load the truck because you won't handle the parcels in the office. But since your allowed to mark parcels. You now mark your parcels using package lookahead. Thing is, the stopwatch doesn't stop until all mail loaded. So an hour after you load truck, you finally get your other load loaded. Looks all above board with the 2021 guide. I bet after the 1st day, load truck wouldn't be required. But I would force it in all its exploitable glory.

The point of it is accountability.
A Carrier using the Load Truck shows that that Carrier actually has the package in their vehicle & cannot deny it later if questioned. If a customer doesn’t receive their package, they can see that the Carrier had it in their possession & where it was scanned as “Delivered”. If a carrier gets back to the office & it shows as a “missed scan” mgmt can prove that the Carrier had it & possibly didn’t scan it. This could possibly be used in discipline if it seems to be a reoccurring issue.
It can also save a Carrier if they didn’t have the package to scan in loading but it shows that it did get sorted to a route & goes missing.

 

[Morty]

The point of it is accountability.
A Carrier using the Load Truck shows that that Carrier actually has the package in their vehicle & cannot deny it later if questioned. If a customer doesn’t receive their package, they can see that the Carrier had it in their possession & where it was scanned as “Delivered”. If a carrier gets back to the office & it shows as a “missed scan” mgmt can prove that the Carrier had it & possibly didn’t scan it. This could possibly be used in discipline if it seems to be a reoccurring issue.
It can also save a Carrier if they didn’t have the package to scan in loading but it shows that it did get sorted to a route & goes missing.

Which is why I said there truly is no point. Only management has said what you stated.

But a clerk scans the packages to the route. A clerk scans packages sent to the wrong unit. There is already an accountability scan. The point of it is for discipline. It does nothing to help the carrier. Thus pointless, wasteful, and redundant.

But exploitable during a count if you follow the po603 and count guide!

 

[gotstamps]

Which is why I said there truly is no point. Only management has said what you stated.

But a clerk scans the packages to the route. A clerk scans packages sent to the wrong unit. There is already an accountability scan. The point of it is for discipline. It does nothing to help the carrier. Thus pointless, wasteful, and redundant.

But exploitable during a count if you follow the po603 and count guide!

This is my own conclusion not something mgmt said.
AND you obviously didn’t read the LAST SENTENCE of my post. It CAN save a Carrier from discipline or accusations of theft. If there is a dishonest carrier in your office, it would show that although the package was scanned to the proper route, it did not actually make it to the Carrier’s truck. In Large offices, the parcels are thrown in a different area than where the Carriers are. Anyone can get anyone’s hamper without mgmt or a clerk noticing. JS

 

[Deer Smearer]

It’s not for accountability. It’s another failed time saving attempt.

Accountability wouldn’t need hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted numbering inside walls of LLVs.

Load truck and parcel look ahead have potential benefits for both carriers and manglement. Poor design and implementation have failed both.

Accountability?

What if the carriers simply don’t scan the item loaded?

How many offices still follow the already established accountability procedures for Express, certified, COD, or even registered items?

Its only for accountability if it can be used against carriers.

 

[Jbmwolf53]

Thank you for all the responses. And the letter from the NRLCA.

 

[gotstamps]

It’s not for accountability. It’s another failed time saving attempt.

Accountability wouldn’t need hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted numbering inside walls of LLVs.

Load truck and parcel look ahead have potential benefits for both carriers and manglement. Poor design and implementation have failed both.

Parcel Look Ahead is definitely a waste.
The Load Truck, on the other hand, has already saved someone from discipline, so a friend has told me. I don’t know the specifics so can’t speak to details but I can see this happening.

 

[DB.Cooper]

Parcel Look Ahead is definitely a waste.
The Load Truck, on the other hand, has already saved someone from discipline, so a friend has told me. I don’t know the specifics so can’t speak to details but I can see this happening.

If they'd take these functions to the next level and actually provide on route notifications to the carrier, then they could be useful/helpful.... apparently that's not their intent tho....

 

[DB.Cooper]

They tried that when Sunday Amazon was just getting started in my area, but the alerts were terribly inconsistent/inappropriate because geofencing and deliver point mapping/inference was bad.

Vaguely misremembering an alert (with the “this message will self destruct” feel) for one delivery telling me I was 1700 ft from the delivery point, are you sure?? Yes. The “delivery point” was the cluster box, but the parcel was a dismount deep into the development. All day long.

I think that's the problem.... they don't want the ownership of missed deliveries due to their flaky technology.... as it stands now, it's on the carriers.... if their technology were to be relied upon, things would likely be worse, and carriers could point to the faulty technology as the culprit... they don't want that.... jmho....

 

[stillfirstclass]

my dog alerts go off a quarter mile past,,, if my dog alerts went off a quarter mile before... and they are going to pay us with these things lol... i m thinking we'll see this sooner: hybrid of exhibited ability and wrecks....

 

[neciat]

Here is a scenario to ponder for those discussing , and anyone else for that matter , the "double credit" issue regarding scanning parcels while using the "load truck" feature during a count when you are getting actual time credit for the loading. A carrier that takes automated mail , DPS and / or FSS , to the street brings back 3M mail from the automated mail. Some of that mail may have been mis-sequenced mail that would be credited as raw mail, letters and / or flats as appropriate, for THAT day. That mail goes to the 3M case. Okay, next day of count, that very same mis-sequenced mail is back in the hot case for credit AGAIN for THAT day. This equates to "double credit" as well. Also, if there is more than one route counting, the mis-sorted mail becomes another potential vector in the equation for all of the routes that are counting. And that's not mention that any mail brought back from the street from automated mail or culled out while casing gets "double credit" as well. That automated mail is NOT deducted from the end runs report(s) and IS credited as raw letters and /or flats as appropriate.
As a side note, I noticed that the settlement also states " when loading an Employer provided vehicle." Well, what about the P.O.V. ?