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[Gotrope]

Actually, Step 10 on Table 2 is maximum possible at this time. This chart was created in 2012 so that was the first possible for any RCA hired just under 2 yrs prior to becoming a Regular.

And compare that to a cca hired at the same time.

 

[Gotrope]

So I cant figure this out...why would all of table 1 get the whole..$.1935... yet it is in increments to table 2??
Not everyone on table one is at top level., so i am confused.

Because they are at full pay from first step. Table 2 takes years to get to equal table 1 equivalent.

 

[gotstamps]

And compare that to a cca hired at the same time.

No thanks. They are SO Stinking MICROMANAGED that they deserve their pay & OT.

 

[Old Fart]

We have about 250 routes between 5 offices. We have a combined rca complement of 43. It's not pretty.

Roughly the same in our offices. We treat RCA's well, and if they're mandated to other offices, or to work city, they'll leave that very day. Done. The newer hires were all given the choice of RCA or CCA, and they chose rural craft for reasons.

 

[Old Fart]

As I posted on another thread I cased a tray of my DPS this morning in eight minutes And I was being diligent. I taco mayo and I make letters small to large and I look at every piece as I’m doing this so it’s not checking the first number and the last number Is it possible that people can do this in five minutes, I’d like to see it and not just throwing it have some accuracy

This morning I had 8 trays of DPS, all jammed, which is about 500 per tray or more. 8 minutes per tray is more than one letter per second for eight minutes constantly.

I case by name, the fastest method, and among those in our offices I'm one of the faster DPS casers. To dump out missorts, missents, forwards, FOE, etc. AND put them in a nice taco that is there waiting for them, just takes me longer than eight minutes. Not to mention one of every three was upside down or even backwards.

Our craft is supposed to be evaluated as standards the AVERAGE worker's ability.

 

[Dumbassclerksyndrome]

Your trays have gotta be near empty! We did timing events with routes around me and averaged a little over 15 minutes per tray.
The lowest was about 12: 30 for a tray.
All of us multi year employees.

I think it is funny ( not really)that you get like 5 minutes ish, when you get a tray of raw mail and claim it, when it takes about 30 to 40 minutes to actually case it.

Full packed trays. I’ve always had great hand eye coordination and always aware of where tacos occur. I was trained well I guess. Have gotten slower as I’m aging

 

[Dumbassclerksyndrome]

Your trays have gotta be near empty! We did timing events with routes around me and averaged a little over 15 minutes per tray.
The lowest was about 12: 30 for a tray.
All of us multi year employees.

I think it is funny ( not really)that you get like 5 minutes ish, when you get a tray of raw mail and claim it, when it takes about 30 to 40 minutes to actually case it.

Nope actually stuffed!

 

[Skierstmoritz]

No thanks. They are SO Stinking MICROMANAGED that they deserve their pay & OT.

Guess what? So will we be soon. Smh....don't you see the progression?

 

[Old Fart]

Full packed trays. I’ve always had great hand eye coordination and always aware of where tacos occur. I was trained well I guess. Have gotten slower as I’m aging

our compensation evaluation should be, and has been, based upon established post office standards for flats and letters. It should also be geared toward an average performance, not the fastest and best one at the job.

 

[ATCBigE]

The whole compensation system (RRECS or as like to call it WRECS) is going to screw us.

5 minutes a tray is ridiculous speed. I know my time roughly for tray of mail is about 10-12 minutes, but I would say I am quicker one. Personally it should be close to 15 minutes a tray IMO.

 

[oi veh.]

i may be misunderstanding something in this thread, but we are not, and never been, compensated for casing DPS.

it is street time only.

so, if you spend time casing it in order to save time on the street (or because you think it is safer), then that is where they got the ridiculous street speed of 86 ppm from...or 5 minutes a tray.

now, some of you may be able to case a tray in 5 minutes, but can you safely, following ALL regulations, deliver it in same?

asking for a friend.

 

[EthelAnne]

i may be misunderstanding something in this thread, but we are not, and never been, compensated for casing DPS.

it is street time only.

so, if you spend time casing it in order to save time on the street (or because you think it is safer), then that is where they got the ridiculous street speed of 86 ppm from...or 5 minutes a tray.

now, some of you may be able to case a tray in 5 minutes, but can you safely, following ALL regulations, deliver it in same?

asking for a friend.

This is what I think, too, explains the 86ppm—the time spent in office casing DPS doesn’t count at all, so if you’re just throwing and going on the street, delivering 86 ppm seems quite possible.

My question is—knowing that we have the option of casing or taking DPS to the street, why wouldn’t the NRLCA object to this time standard, which seems to reflect the work of carriers who case DPS?

 

[FrozenToes]

i may be misunderstanding something in this thread, but we are not, and never been, compensated for casing DPS.

it is street time only.

so, if you spend time casing it in order to save time on the street (or because you think it is safer), then that is where they got the ridiculous street speed of 86 ppm from...or 5 minutes a tray.

now, some of you may be able to case a tray in 5 minutes, but can you safely, following ALL regulations, deliver it in same?

asking for a friend.

Of course they can. Don't look in taco. Just pitch and ditch. Or let taco open a little, see top letter. Again pitch. There a couple other ways as well using letters/full coverage letters as a divider. Also why box time is so low.
So much for verifying before placing in box.

 

[stillfirstclass]

why wouldn’t the NRLCA object to this time standard, which seems to reflect the work of carriers who case DPS?

why wouldn't anyone with brains/morals/common sense? object to this standard! i would think the city carrier union would be watching this one, if we can do 86 ppm driving, they can do it walking,,, will/could only promote more fingering the mail while driving to deliver your old 42K now 42H in time to stay out of 2080 issues

 

[43kgettinscrewed]

Why would they take the standard out for formula offices ? Of days off being Saturday has to have most days off ? They taking that from us to when we already getting screwed! Change the language out of a office of 33 we will have 3 people with Saturday off after 22 years of service gotta love our union

 

[Gotrope]

This is what I think, too, explains the 86ppm—the time spent in office casing DPS doesn’t count at all, so if you’re just throwing and going on the street, delivering 86 ppm seems quite possible.

My question is—knowing that we have the option of casing or taking DPS to the street, why wouldn’t the NRLCA object to this time standard, which seems to reflect the work of carriers who case DPS?

More importantly, are they considering hourly if rrecs is a death knell because our own craft sabotaged us? I won't be here for another contract but, I highly encourage you to discuss options if this beast fails. I'm willing to give it a shot but, if I see myself still shortchanged by USPS there needs to be an absolute line in the sand by nrlca. Cheating on data....hourly.

 

[seabass]

there is still plenty of people casing their letters. I've been for 29 years. couple newer subs in our area chose to case letters to after seeing the couple of different ways there was to do it. I tried to take dps to the street a couple times, it was a complete disaster after doing it the other way for so long. sounds like they didn't take this into consideration, the people that are still casing it. Just like the snow states. they didn't want to take into consideration bad weather states and time lost to it because not everyone has that. well again, what about the people who do. they've come up with a one-size-fits-all and it isn't fair to everyone. just like you have to pick your bundle system, you should be picking case dps or no case dps with a different standard that's fair for how you do it. i agree with the average, pick a number that's in the middle that's fair for everyone because we are all different. if i had to pick ONE thing to gain in arbitration it would be this. a better standard on trays of dps and address verification to make it fair.

 

[OldHillbilly]

So 2012 arbitration kicked off the quest for a new evaluation system. Don’t you think the next arbiter should take both the union and PO to the woodshed for what they have put carriers through for the past decade? I would hope the arbiter would not be pleased with either party.

 

[Old Fart]

why wouldn't anyone with brains/morals/common sense? object to this standard! i would think the city carrier union would be watching this one, if we can do 86 ppm driving, they can do it walking,,, will/could only promote more fingering the mail while driving to deliver your old 42K now 42H in time to stay out of 2080 issues

City carrier standards are 18 and 8 -- 18 letters per minute and 8 flats.

A DPS tray of 500 letters would take a city carrier 28 minutes to case.

 

[Old Fart]

there is still plenty of people casing their letters. I've been for 29 years. couple newer subs in our area chose to case letters to after seeing the couple of different ways there was to do it. I tried to take dps to the street a couple times, it was a complete disaster after doing it the other way for so long. sounds like they didn't take this into consideration, the people that are still casing it. Just like the snow states. they didn't want to take into consideration bad weather states and time lost to it because not everyone has that. well again, what about the people who do. they've come up with a one-size-fits-all and it isn't fair to everyone. just like you have to pick your bundle system, you should be picking case dps or no case dps with a different standard that's fair for how you do it. i agree with the average, pick a number that's in the middle that's fair for everyone because we are all different. if i had to pick ONE thing to gain in arbitration it would be this. a better standard on trays of dps and address verification to make it fair.

they don't care what you think, or how you sort and deliver your mail.