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More mandates……

Really?
The reason we got a New "More Sternly Worded MOU" is because they ignored the part of the last MOU that said Volunteer ( not Voluntold).
And here they are ignoring it again.
If heads didn't roll last time, what makes you think it will be any different this time?
There is a Step 4 Grievance on mgmt requiring Regs to work other routes & Sundays. The only option is to file or risk Direct Order discipline.
 
Maybe I am missing something here with all the BS, that goes on with the power less union and mgt.

The USPS and the union sign a memoradium of understanding that reg carriers can ONLY volunteer to work other routes/Sun, BUT reg carriers have to obey a DIRECT order to work other routes/Sunday ??

What gives ???
No, you are NOT missing ANYTHING !!! It is management that is being insubordinate. Whether it is this MOU or anything in anyone of the handbooks, manuals, Step 4s, etc. , the aforementioned ARE the instructions, guidelines and procedures to which to adhere. With respect to this MOU and the National Agreement as well as any Step 4, the decision(s) and agreement(s) were made WAY above any local management's step and pay grade. These decision(s) and agreement(s) ARE the orders. Myself, you or anyone else CANNOT be wrong until management is correct. One could very legitimately argue that it is immoral to blatantly disregard a signed agreement.
 
Where they get you is that you failed to follow a direct order. They directly mandated you to carry another route, while that order itself is not justified, the fact you did not follow the direct order is punishable. Failure to follow a direct order is also grounds for removal. The only time you cannot obey a direct order is if it is unlawful, unsafe or immoral. Have fun at the I and I and make sure you Have your steward present.
I think it’s very immoral to mandate work without even having an idea of what the compensation for that work would be. There’s no guideline for what fair/accurate compensation should/would be when a regular is working another route and finding out after the work is completed sounds super shady.

Imagine any other job saying “Do x job, we’ll tell you how much you’ll be paid you complete it”

That sounds super immoral to me.
 
There is a Step 4 Grievance on mgmt requiring Regs to work other routes & Sundays. The only option is to file or risk Direct Order discipline.
I don't know how most people are interpreting the July 20th statement on Rural Carrier Safety but it sure seems the NRLCA was giving everyone the way out. They encouraged it to be spread far and wide, so even non-members would know about it. To me it boils down to filling out a 1767 and going home whenever they violate this. It says "consider" filing a grievance, which sounds to me, secondary to citing safety and going home.

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This is why carriers need to learn to file an 8191 without DR help. ""You need to carry another route (insert responsible, hardworking carrier name here)!". Carrier, "I didn't volunteer". PM, "Its a direct order!". Carrier, "Ok, can you please print me out a 8191 and a copy of the MOU from Aug 4, 2022, or I could just use the one on my phone, Thanks!" Then I'd proceed doing my route duties until I was done, on my way out, I'd check with said PM/Management and ask if they printed what I requested. If so, game on! Lets FIGHT! If not, I go home. They entire time, I'm making notes on my phone of all interactions with management and anyone that may have witnessed or overheard any conversations. If you are like this with ANY issues, management with realize they cant bully or take advantage of you. I've been doing this for over 10 years, sometimes I feel bullet proof. Example, the Form 4015A that management made some carriers sign a few weeks ago so they would use annual if they had 2080 issues, I just grabbed it and walked out, haven't heard a peep in three weeks. 💪
 
Really?
The reason we got a New "More Sternly Worded MOU" is because they ignored the part of the last MOU that said Volunteer ( not Voluntold).
And here they are ignoring it again.
If heads didn't roll last time, what makes you think it will be any different this time?
So true, they have zero concern & respect for the NRLCA because they are like the "Little Boy Who Cried Wolf". Nothing more ever happens than the NRLCA filing a Grievance (which the USPS pretty much ignores), The USPS may finally react to the violation at some point without penalties. While they continue violating our contract in a different area. The NRLCA are constantly chasing their tail with filing grievances with no teeth for contractual violations.
 
This is why carriers need to learn to file an 8191 without DR help. ""You need to carry another route (insert responsible, hardworking carrier name here)!". Carrier, "I didn't volunteer". PM, "Its a direct order!". Carrier, "Ok, can you please print me out a 8191 and a copy of the MOU from Aug 4, 2022, or I could just use the one on my phone, Thanks!" Then I'd proceed doing my route duties until I was done, on my way out, I'd check with said PM/Management and ask if they printed what I requested. If so, game on! Lets FIGHT! If not, I go home. They entire time, I'm making notes on my phone of all interactions with management and anyone that may have witnessed or overheard any conversations. If you are like this with ANY issues, management with realize they cant bully or take advantage of you. I've been doing this for over 10 years, sometimes I feel bullet proof. Example, the Form 4015A that management made some carriers sign a few weeks ago so they would use annual if they had 2080 issues, I just grabbed it and walked out, haven't heard a peep in three weeks. 💪
That may work in some places. Other places will basically ignore you, continue the mandate, and deal with the consequences(which will probably be ZERO).

I have a grievance at Step 4 going on multiple years now for paying carriers 2ND TRIP TIME to bring outgoing mail back to make dispatch. At the peak of this ridiculous "direct order" they would have us drive the remainder of the route looking for raised flags to pick up outgoing but NOT delivering. Once we got back and dropped off our outgoing we needed to go back out and finish the route. If we picked up any outgoing mail, it simply was left for the next day.

That is NOT a 2nd trip. It is as plain as day. Step 4.

The same goes with AM parcel trips. Those are nowhere to be found under the 2nd Trip categories. Step 4.

The catty Union Reps love to say "smile and file".....but they leave out the occasional "....and wait 5 years to finally get a remedy while piling on 20 more contract violations we may or may not get to."

It's all so tiresome.
 
I don't know how most people are interpreting the July 20th statement on Rural Carrier Safety but it sure seems the NRLCA was giving everyone the way out. They encouraged it to be spread far and wide, so even non-members would know about it. To me it boils down to filling out a 1767 and going home whenever they violate this. It says "consider" filing a grievance, which sounds to me, secondary to citing safety and going home.

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So this says they "have processed literally thousands of grievences" about this issue,
Then they go ahead and agree to another MOU that will be ignored with the end result in actually causing the carriers affected to get less pay, some less than time and a half?
I believe EthelAnne said she was getting settlements of 200 or 300 percent of the normal wage as a settlement.
Agreeing to the MOU makes the baseline less than 150 percent for some that are mandated.
How does the new MOU help?
Or more prescient, WHO DOES THE NEW MOU HELP?
 
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I am right in reading that "Position of the NRLCA" statement that they feel the only way out of being forced into something clearly prohibited in the contract, etc is if a carrier feels like it is a danger to public safety?

I guess they could tell you to mow the lawn and fix the water heater, too, and you'd have to claim it might kill you to do it?

Lordy, the NRLCA must be sick of wiping the sand out of their eyes.
 
So this says they "have processed literally thousands of grievences" about this issue,
Then they go ahead and agree to another MOU that will be ignored with the end result in actually causing the carriers affected to get less pay, some less than time and a half?
I believe EthelAnne said she was getting settlements of 200 or 300 percent of the normal wage as a settlement.
Agreeing to the MOU makes the baseline less than 150 percent for some that are mandated.
How does the new MOU help?
Or more prescient, WHO DOES THE NEW MOU HELP?
The timeline I followed went like this. In March the NRLCA said the Postal Service refused to extend the MOU, so it expired 3/25. NRLCA comes out with the Rural Carrier Safety document in July. In August the NRLCA says the MOU is back in effect 8/7. They said "...by agreeing to the MOU below, we believe this will help to shut down the Postal Service’s improper practice of forcing regular carriers to work other routes and deliver packages on Sundays and provide some much needed relief to the many overworked RCAs." The NRLCA did not say why the Postal Service reversed its March decision. Or I missed it.

If someone gets 200 or 300% that is because they did the work to make it happen. The Step 4 sitting idle asks for 250%. And yes, if you volunteer under the current MOU, you get 150%.
 
I am right in reading that "Position of the NRLCA" statement that they feel the only way out of being forced into something clearly prohibited in the contract, etc is if a carrier feels like it is a danger to public safety?

I guess they could tell you to mow the lawn and fix the water heater, too, and you'd have to claim it might kill you to do it?

Lordy, the NRLCA must be sick of wiping the sand out of their eyes.
I listened to Mike Caref. He is a Business Agent for the NALC in Chicago. Not sure what our equivalent to a BA is. He was talking about how they are trying to get around "following instructions" as they put it. They are toying with the idea that any instruction to a carrier who is clocked out is not to be followed. Sounds like a tough one. So a CCA comes in after 12 hours, has to do his end of shift duties and get clocked out before a supervisor finds them and instructs them to take 2 more hours of work back out?

I'm pointing this out because it does appear there may be some outside the box thinking by the Unions going on. The Rural Carrier Safety statement to use a 1767 and go home might just be our version of the NLCA trying to not follow instructions if clocked out.
 
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I am right in reading that "Position of the NRLCA" statement that they feel the only way out of being forced into something clearly prohibited in the contract, etc is if a carrier feels like it is a danger to public safety?

I guess they could tell you to mow the lawn and fix the water heater, too, and you'd have to claim it might kill you to do it?

Lordy, the NRLCA must be sick of wiping the sand out of their eyes.
Sand???

It’s not sand they have their heads stuck in. 🙄
 
The timeline I followed went like this. In March the NRLCA said the Postal Service refused to extend the MOU, so it expired 3/25. NRLCA comes out with the Rural Carrier Safety document in July. In August the NRLCA says the MOU is back in effect 8/7. They said "...by agreeing to the MOU below, we believe this will help to shut down the Postal Service’s improper practice of forcing regular carriers to work other routes and deliver packages on Sundays and provide some much needed relief to the many overworked RCAs." The NRLCA did not say why the Postal Service reversed its March decision. Or I missed it.

If someone gets 200 or 300% that is because they did the work to make it happen. The Step 4 sitting idle asks for 250%. And yes, if you volunteer under the current MOU, you get 150%.
No you get your overtime Rate which can be less than 150 percent if you work over your evaluation, and, or, carry Xdays
 
I don't know how most people are interpreting the July 20th statement on Rural Carrier Safety but it sure seems the NRLCA was giving everyone the way out. They encouraged it to be spread far and wide, so even non-members would know about it. To me it boils down to filling out a 1767 and going home whenever they violate this. It says "consider" filing a grievance, which sounds to me, secondary to citing safety and going home.

**Looks like you can't post images anymore. I have to run, will figure it out later.

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There was a Step 4 filed after this Document was released allowing VOLUNTEERS. The Step 4 is on mgmt forcing carriers regardless of “volunteering“. Any Regular being voluntold should be filing on it. The grievance will be held in abeyance until the Step 4 is resolved.
 
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