RCA's, are they assigned to a route, or the post office as a whole?

[Missed a scan]

I am in a 2 route office. We have had no RCA's for far to long. Last year, I recruited 1 to come to the office and be my sub, assigned to my route. I was under the impression, that the sub is available to me first, then to the other route if I do not need them on any given day. I learned last week, while talking to my sub, seeing if they could work a day for me next month, that the other route booked them about 2 months ago, for the day in question. Well, that was the first I had heard of it. The guy on the other route, I feel should have asked me first if I would need a sub on that particular day, to which I would have agreed that I would not be needing the sub that day. I would have been good with that. Then I would not have planned anything for that particular day in question.

The PM got involved, he had to ask another PM what to do. The word back was, that the sub could be assigned to either of the 2 routes and does not have my route as a priority, rather the sub is assigned to the post office, not a specific route.. Looking though the last contract, I can not find anything about sub assignments and what an assignment means.

Well, the sub is listed on my time sheet showing that they are assigned to my route.

At minimum, the other route should have had some common curiosity and let me know what was planned two months ago when his planning for the day off was taking place.

Set me straight here. What is correct?

 

[psd181]

article 30.2.D

 

[psd181]

It amazes me after 30 years of existence, probably 75% still don't know.

 

[FirstclassPITA]

Imo you're wrong. You don't make the schedule; the postmaster or supervisors do. It is not the duty or responsibility of the other carrier to ask you if you sanction their time off. Don't think it matters one ounce whose sheet the sub is listed on as the procedure for determining leave eligibility is based upon replacement availability. Given that a sub was available upon the submittal of leave and granted accordingly. Leave is granted first come first serve. You missed the boat this time. Remember nothing at the postal service is yours. The route, the gov vehicle, the sub, they all belong to the postal service.

 

[YOUAREthecurrentresident]

. The guy on the other route, I feel should have asked me first if I would need a sub on that particular day, to which I would have agreed that I would not be needing the sub that day.

What?!? I’ve never heard of a sub “belonging” a specific carrier. Not to mention, the “other” carrier put in a leave request before you. If you feel like you need off, then submit the ol’ leave slip 60 days in advance. Having that RCA just sitting around waiting to be beckoned by you??? Where would you even learn this lol

 

[DB.Cooper]

I have a sub assigned to my route, and I understand they can be used on another route that doesn't have a sub assigned.... and I hear all of that about its 1st come, 1st served, etc., etc.... BUT, if the other routes that do not have a sub, have not made any effort to get a sub assigned to their route, then why are they stepping on the toes of those that have made the effort???? Js.... if I didn't have a sub assigned to my route, I'd file a 120-day letter to get one assigned, and file a grievance if the letter wasn't fulfilled.... but, because I have a sub, I can't file a letter.... I can't file one for the routes that are too apathetic to do it for themselves either.... so, that's where I have a problem with all this nonsense....

 

[Rt2mailman]

It is mentioned, concerning scheduling, that a manager should ask if the route that the rca is assigned to will be needed on the assigned route before scheduling the rca on another route. It also says that even though this helps in the scheduling of the office, the manager is NOT required to do so.

 

[DB.Cooper]

How many without a sub have never made any effort to get a sub assigned to their route.... I guess if you're a kiss @$$ person, mngt will get you your days off by taking the subs from the routes that made the effort and filed their 120-day letters, etc.... typical USPS BS....

 

[She mails rural]

Imo you're wrong. You don't make the schedule; the postmaster or supervisors do. It is not the duty or responsibility of the other carrier to ask you if you sanction their time off. Don't think it matters one ounce whose sheet the sub is listed on as the procedure for determining leave eligibility is based upon replacement availability. Given that a sub was available upon the submittal of leave and granted accordingly. Leave is granted first come first serve. You missed the boat this time. Remember nothing at the postal service is yours. The route, the gov vehicle, the sub, they all belong to the postal service.

That's is all true but seems to me they got plenty of time to cover her rt. Leave should not be denied unless all avenues have been followed. They can cover they choose not to is the difference.

 

[She mails rural]

Everyone should have a 120 letter in. EVERYONE...

 

[DB.Cooper]

That's is all true but seems to me they got plenty of time to cover her rt. Leave should not be denied unless all avenues have been followed. They can cover they choose not to is the difference.

Did they check the 50-mile radius.... hail no, you know they didn't....

 

[DB.Cooper]

Everyone should have a 120 letter in. EVERYONE...

And if they can't be bothered to try and get their own sub, then why should someone be expected to support their apathy???? Js....

 

[TammyRR68]

Everyone should have a 120 letter in. EVERYONE...

What happens after the 120 days?

 

[FirstclassPITA]

What happens after the 120 days?

That is my issue. You file the letter. No sub. Management shows they made the effort to hire but no viable applicants. What is the recourse? Gonna enslave someone off the streets to sub?

 

[FirstclassPITA]

Not to hijack the thread but two Saturday k day routes exist. R1 has seniority but no sub assigned to their route. R2 is junior with a sub. Who gets the day off? If they are mandating it goes by juniority as to who gets forced into work unless i am not understanding things correctly.

 

[Worve]

Everyone should have a 120 letter in. EVERYONE...

As soon as I get everything done on case and boxes marked that’s the plan. Right now I would feel guilty as all heck having a new sub run the route I got. Missing some 20 boxes on case alone the list is endless.

 

[EthelAnne]

That is my issue. You file the letter. No sub. Management shows they made the effort to hire but no viable applicants. What is the recourse? Gonna enslave someone off the streets to sub?

Grieve failure to hire and contsct your union rep.

A PTF position should be created.

 

[She mails rural]

That is my issue. You file the letter. No sub. Management shows they made the effort to hire but no viable applicants. What is the recourse? Gonna enslave someone off the streets to sub?

Effort don't cut it. File the grievance

 

[She mails rural]

And if they can't be bothered to try and get their own sub, then why should someone be expected to support their apathy???? Js....

Still missing the point, It shouldn't matter who it helps unless of course you want to keep helping management by not putting in one?

 

[She mails rural]

The subs they have now can be done any ol way. Lets say they are assigned to your rt but someone else puts leave in now they aren't assigned to your rt. If they need them 50 miles away now they aren't assigned to your rt. So that to be doesn't serve any purpose other than helping management. If you fill your office with rcas by putting in your letter then no leave denied, relief days actually happen, rcas don't have to go out of your office unless volunteer it's their choice. More people to help with work load the ones we have won't be worked to death. It truly helps management as well but their thing is all about their budget. Our office is so full now we have rcas putting leave in for Saturdays and it's approved. It's a breath of fresh air for everyone.