Expectations for New Contract

[LEFTINGUTTER]

It looks like the Nalc is getting a 20% raise over three years. Are you all going to cynically complain if we get the same?
Is 20% not enough, asking seriously? I think it’s barely adequate but not spectacular.

20% NOW PLUS annual 3.55 and cola quarterly is the very least the union should except ontop of trashing RRECS Dumb Joys removal

 

[nlsal209]

Meanwhile, Boeing workers are striking for major demands including big time pay increase and super generous pensions and benefits!

 

[Joe Reeser]

if there is one thing politicians from both parties can come together and do, it’s violate the constitution or override it all together with some new national security rule. Don’t expect that to save anyone when there’s billions to be made, and funneled off.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to establish Post Offices but it doesn't say it has to be run by the gov't. With that being said, I just don't believe the PO will be privatized. People have been running that scare around town for at least thirty years.

 

[Joe Reeser]

Meanwhile, Boeing workers are striking for major demands including big time pay increase and super generous pensions and benefits!

The way Boeing's been goin' they should feel lucky to have a job.

 

[Joe Reeser]

The union smiles at us and says that RRECS is the best thing that ever happen to us, how stupid are they.

It's not about how stupid they are. It's about how stupid they think you are.

 

[Tammy]

Based off of the stuff the NALC has said about their new contract, I think we’ll see a unified pay table and a semi noticeable raise. I’m somewhat worried about what they (and thus us) might give up for something like that.

They are still in negotiations they won’t get that and neither will we

 

[RollinRural]

They are still in negotiations they won’t get that and neither will we

So what are we getting then?

 

[hockey94]

So what are we getting then?

1.25 % per yr for 3 years. You will get your back pay in a year.

 

[RollinRural]

Boeing just proposed 30% percent over 4 years.
We’re supposed to get 20% over 3 years like the city side but some people here are saying that’s not true.
If they know it’s not accurate, then they should know what IS accurate.

 

[EthelAnne]

Boeing just proposed 30% percent over 4 years.
We’re supposed to get 20% over 3 years like the city side but some people here are saying that’s not true.
If they know it’s not accurate, then they should know what IS accurate.

I've heard all the wild rumors about what is in the coming NALC contract, too, and I'll ask you--if the terms are so favorable to city carriers, why hasn't the NALC signed off on a tentative agreement?

I mean, it could be just remarkable incompetence on the part of their negotiating team. Maybe they think they can do better than 20% from an organization that claims to have lost $6.5B last year.

(BTW, Boeing annual gross profit for 2023 was $7.724B, a 118.81% increase from 2022--not that I even think we should talk in these terms because the USPS is a government service and who asks how much the Department of Defense profited last year?)

 

[RollinRural]

I've heard all the wild rumors about what is in the coming NALC contract, too, and I'll ask you--if the terms are so favorable to city carriers, why hasn't the NALC signed off on a tentative agreement?

I mean, it could be just remarkable incompetence on the part of their negotiating team. Maybe they think they can do better than 20% from an organization that claims to have lost $6.5B last year.

(BTW, Boeing annual gross profit for 2023 was $7.724B, a 118.81% increase from 2022--not that I even think we should talk in these terms because the USPS is a government service and who asks how much the Department of Defense profited last year?)

They’re ‘working on the non-economic issues.’

A lot of things go into a contract besides wage increases.

 

[stillfirstclass]

for at least thirty years.

started some privitization in 1929.. that is how we have private contractors dropping mail off at the local offices, ups and fed x and other airlines flying our mail instead of us....

 

[Gotrope]

I've heard all the wild rumors about what is in the coming NALC contract, too, and I'll ask you--if the terms are so favorable to city carriers, why hasn't the NALC signed off on a tentative agreement?

I mean, it could be just remarkable incompetence on the part of their negotiating team. Maybe they think they can do better than 20% from an organization that claims to have lost $6.5B last year.

(BTW, Boeing annual gross profit for 2023 was $7.724B, a 118.81% increase from 2022--not that I even think we should talk in these terms because the USPS is a government service and who asks how much the Department of Defense profited last year?)

In federal bargaining, we are required to negotiate comparing compensation levels to private industry according to law. Most arbitrators ignore that and compare to other federal union packages.

It drives me nuts.

 

[U caught my attention]

If our wages are to be compared to others in the private industry, are we compared to managerial salaried positions?

The tasks we do are labor intensive. I would assume most of the jobs in the private sector doing similar tasks are hourly.
How does that work?

 

[Joe Reeser]

started some privitization in 1929.. that is how we have private contractors dropping mail off at the local offices, ups and fed x and other airlines flying our mail instead of us....

I, personally, wouldn't call that privatization. Any business will contract out services they they cannot provide for themselves in an acceptable manner, be that costs or something else.

 

[stillfirstclass]

I, personally, wouldn't call that privatization. Any business will contract out services they they cannot provide for themselves in an acceptable manner, be that costs or something else.

just an opinion of course, but the fact that congress passed a law saying we cannot haul the mail ourselves, would/does make me refer to it as privitization... congress allowing their "busines" partners the work....edited to say: i was really pointing out to you that privitization talk is 45 years plus that i know of, paul harvey was talking about it when i was in high school

 

[Joe Reeser]

...the fact that congress passed a law saying we cannot haul the mail ourselves...

Seriously? because I would love to see a reference for that.

i was really pointing out to you that privitization talk is 45 years plus that i know of, paul harvey was talking about it when i was in high school

I have no doubt. I was being conservative.

 

[stillfirstclass]

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R42549.pdf

Congressional Post Office scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

i just did a quick search couldn't find anything on the 1929 "privitization" but did come across these again

 

[stillfirstclass]

our congress peeps, were given so much in the budget to mail stuff/junk... if they took it in stamps, they found they could cash those in for cash if they didn't use them,,, i listened to that one on rush for 3 years!

 

[Dominator]

In federal bargaining, we are required to negotiate comparing compensation levels to private industry according to law. Most arbitrators ignore that and compare to other federal union packages.

It drives me nuts.

Perhaps all of the postal unions are assuming the arbitrator is knowledgeable instead of actually introducing the rule, in writing, as a part of their argument.