jsthere723
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For additional trips . Although in the MDD it says additional Authodis , but it means the extra trips . It does not become additional authorized dismount . This extra trips are in page 3
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So under authorized dismounts.and specifically the equivalent to the old standard of authorizeddismounts.. "additional trips" this is when a carrier while at a cbu/cent/other puts in their MDD "additional authorized dismount. The MDD knows what kind of additional trip - by location.
To say that the carrier coded cbu/cent as curb is a claim that I've not seen backed by any evidence. I've looked over dozens of 4241m's with the same non-credit issue.
jsthere723
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There is only one kind of additional trips for everywhere . Distance from your authorized dismount park point to delivery point and back . In other words 1 extra authodis entry you get 1 extra credit of that walking time . On 4241 A you will see a category which says daily dismount distance. It is the sum total of that walking for all the authorized dismount you have mapped . Unless you change mapping that distance will remain unchanged forever . This is what management used to measure and supposed to measure periodically
So if I average 15 additional daily trips (15x .4409 = 6.61 minutes) at a central location, but my page 3 only shows 1 minute a day do I have a valid dispute?
jsthere723
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No . Again you are conflating dismount prep with dismount trips . Dismount prep is for you to stop at that point , shut the engine , put the break on , curb your wheel as needed , unbuckle your belt , get up , grab the mail , go to delivery point and come back and reverse the steps and pull away one time (,you will get delivery credit under verify address and parcel category if there was parcel )
Now if you needed 15 time to move between your truck and delivery point to grab and deliver all the mails you indicate in MDD by entering 15 additional authodis . System will give you credit for walking that dismount distance for that location 14 extra times . And walking part only . Because all other things I described you are not repeating . You will see in 4241m standard is listed as complex . Because walking distance different in every location. They sum total the extra walking distance and determines the daily average . And they have chosen to indicate frequency as 1 . All it means you have some credit for that extra walk . If by any miracle there is somebody who never enters authodis he/ she will have zero . For everyone else it is 1 . Compare 4/5 people . For everyone it will say 1 . But actual credit amount will be different.
This will be my last reply on this . Hope it helped
I'm not sure how that's a conflation. A conflation I belive you are strong manning the prep time, while totally dismissing the s1xxa standard times.
If a cent dismount prep s117 = 1.9112
Additional trip cent s117a= .4409
The walking is a separate event that you get for both additional trip and initial prep
I have 1 certral location with 10 units. That I have 4 additional trips every day. That location is ≈ 100 ft from the truck. ( 100 x .00429 = .429 [25.74s])
The additional trip is NOT for walking or parking, it is for gathering additional mail/parcels for boxes or parcel lockers. (4 x .4409 = 1.7636 [1min 45.82 sec])
So for that one stop alone , I have over 1 minute of additional authorized dismounts, without the walking.
What I don't from your answer is ¿ how is the s1xxa time is suppose to be credited on page 3 if the page 3 credit is ONLY used for walking ?
The additional authorized dismounts are more than one trip at an authorized dismount location.
Trips to the door are for additional walking needed to deliver parcels to the door.
Where on the 4241m are the s107a, s103a, s111a, and s117a time standards credited?.
Do you know why we're not getting paid for the additional authorized dismounts?
Yes the footage is on page 3 but not the time for the event..
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I brought that up a couple of surveys ago not counting this last one, when I noticed that the itemized lines for each of the four respective authorized dismounts and their FOUR SEPARATE time standards were GONE. I spoke with District Reps. and none of them thought all that much about it saying the time was in the "parcel" category. I argued that the form(s) should not be altered. The 4241M is supposed to have EACH standard / category listed. If a carrier has a "zero" for a duty, function, activity, etc. , then so be it. If I did not sell any stamps................ ...........fine..........put a "zero" on the stamp sales line but the stamp sales line should still be there. There is SO much for which we are not receiving credit.
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