NALC and USPS reach tentative agreement
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they do not.As far as I know, retirees do not vote on contracts....
can vote on everything but national agreements and cannot be elected to national office.
hey. wait a minute...
I just can't believe it took 20 months to agree to this. Shoot I could be union president and made this agreement within few days. This is pathetic.
I just imagine city carriers right now are like 16 year whose parents tell them they are getting something nice for their 16th birthday. When 16th birthday comes around, instead of parents getting them a car, they buy them one of the little kids battery power car.
I just imagine city carriers right now are like 16 year whose parents tell them they are getting something nice for their 16th birthday. When 16th birthday comes around, instead of parents getting them a car, they buy them one of the little kids battery power car.
Chef_Lucid
New member
We're cooked.
This is going to be the hammer the USPS uses to put the nails in the coffin for all crafts. NALC leadership just completely sold not only the City letter carrier out, but all crafts and threw them under the boot of management.
The estimated cumulative inflation rate from 2021 to 2024 is going to be just over 21% after the year closes out.
21%
Let that sink in.
Anything less than that is essentially a pay cut... This contact is BEYOND a slap in the face, this TA reads so outlandishly bad that at first glance you would think it was written for some daytime TV villain drama.
This is going to be the hammer the USPS uses to put the nails in the coffin for all crafts. NALC leadership just completely sold not only the City letter carrier out, but all crafts and threw them under the boot of management.
The estimated cumulative inflation rate from 2021 to 2024 is going to be just over 21% after the year closes out.
21%
Let that sink in.
Anything less than that is essentially a pay cut... This contact is BEYOND a slap in the face, this TA reads so outlandishly bad that at first glance you would think it was written for some daytime TV villain drama.
Morty
Well-known member
Yeah, with UPS getting $50/hr, Dock workers getting $1000,000/yr with the point being we deserve better, we keep the country moving. Every union has gotten huge wage increases. Most have eliminated the 2 tier from the 2012 Obama depression. Most have eliminated the decades of apprenticeship down to a few years. UPS 4 years, USPS 15 years.I'm wondering how happy, or not, the city side will be with this.... I'm having flashbacks of 2012 tho.... they've been living without pay raises and/or COLAS for so long, they probably have basically been starved in to submission.... TEAMSTERS would have been on STRIKE long ago.... js... sheezy Louise.... they'll have way under 2 years left on this contract by the time it ever gets ratified.... be funny if they vote it down....
Just like in this letter above, the BIGGEST talking point "we save the post office by taking less in wages"
Raise the damn prices, F your "save the post office sentiment".
AtomWaffles
Well-known member
More like they get the tube socks they bought them last year, re-wrap them and try to convince them they bought it yesterday
RollinRural
Well-known member
LOOK AT THE NEW PAY TABLES
A TABLE 2 step A city carrier will get a 19.97% TOTAL INCREASE over the term.
RollinRural
Well-known member
$46,038 to $55,335
THIS IS 19.97%
THIS IS 19.97%
RollinRural
Well-known member
Let’s look at the rural side, a current (40K) step 1 Table 2 makes $50,235. I think if we get the same deal it would put this carrier at around $60,00 by the end of the 3 year contract; exactly 20%.
Very doable.
Now back to the NALC contract; The problem is the people who are in the middle of the steps are getting the least from this deal. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE DOING BOOMER MATH WHO DONT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND CANT CALCULATE PERCENTAGES IF THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
Very doable.
Now back to the NALC contract; The problem is the people who are in the middle of the steps are getting the least from this deal. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE DOING BOOMER MATH WHO DONT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND CANT CALCULATE PERCENTAGES IF THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.
Porch Pirate
Active member
By that logic, how could they refuse to implement said 5 buck raise? BahaApparently USPS was offering the NALC a $5.00/hr pay raise for the entire city craft, with the caveat of adopting the RRECS system. So with that logic they should give us all $5.00/hr raise for keeping rrecs right?
LEFTINGUTTER
Well-known member
They are most likely going to ask for less than one percent is why.At the union meeting I attended a week ago, the rep told us that the NRLCA is asking for pay raises. Someone asked the obvious follow-up question, "What are they requesting for an increase?" Rep's answer was, "they're keeping that a secret".
Tank
Well-known member
It went to arbitration because you knew that was the best way to get the second table so as to keep your own riches.
LouSanius et al -- "Same and every person I know as the post office has voted no yet they still pass with like 75% yes votes."
-- Actually it was about 71.5%, so basically true for the 2021-2024 contract.
-- However, of the 92,000+ ballots mailed out, only 21,500+ sent the ballot back to be counted. That's about 23% of the membership!
-- Actually it was about 71.5%, so basically true for the 2021-2024 contract.
-- However, of the 92,000+ ballots mailed out, only 21,500+ sent the ballot back to be counted. That's about 23% of the membership!
AtomWaffles
Well-known member
LOL. Now check CBS news spin
Mail carriers reach tentative contract with USPS that includes pay raises, air-conditioned trucks
Brots9999
Active member
There is also a commitment from the Postal Service to "make every effort" to provide mail trucks with air-conditioning.
Hahahahahahahahahahagahahahahaga
Are you talking about the 2010-2015 Agreement or one since then? You should check years of past posts concerning what I think of Table 2.
Wilco et al -- " The same Arbitrator that gave rurals RRECS."
-- Not to defend that $&#*@ Arbitrator Clarke, but at least he recognized that the old evaluated compensation system was an incentive system as carriers got paid the full amount when finishing under a route's evaluated time. The USPS hates paying for work not actually done, even though the city side has their 7:01 "rule", which allows them to go home and still get paid the full amount if they are completely done before their "8-hour" day is up.
-- It was the NRLCA that first proposed and the USPS later agreed to redo the evaluated compensation system with something based on sound engineering principles. So blame the NRLCA for RRECS.
-- According to Clarke, the new system will produce substantial benefits for the NRLCA and the USPS going forward. ( how's that working out for the carriers? )
-- From Clarke's "Award" -- The Board of Arbitration ( Clarke and the NRLCA and USPS reps ) will direct adoption of a study that requires the parties to adopt the engineered standards and related recommendations on the Evaluated Compensation System within the parties' traditional incentive system without recourse to the grievance and arbitration procedure.
-- Clarke also added that the parties agree to proceed in good faith and in all due haste so that the revised Evaluated Compensation System will be implemented by May 20, 2015. ( with that he washed his hands of it, even when rural carriers wrote to him that the implementation date had come and gone )
-- RRECS "introduced" in 2022!
-- Someone else to point the fickle finger at would be then-President Dwyer who said in her "From the Desk Of" article in the August 2018 edition of the national magazine:
- "The parties chose to enter a Memorandum of Understanding ( MOU ) on how to develop RRECS rather than have Arbitrator Clarke dictate how it would be done."
-- Not to defend that $&#*@ Arbitrator Clarke, but at least he recognized that the old evaluated compensation system was an incentive system as carriers got paid the full amount when finishing under a route's evaluated time. The USPS hates paying for work not actually done, even though the city side has their 7:01 "rule", which allows them to go home and still get paid the full amount if they are completely done before their "8-hour" day is up.
-- It was the NRLCA that first proposed and the USPS later agreed to redo the evaluated compensation system with something based on sound engineering principles. So blame the NRLCA for RRECS.
-- According to Clarke, the new system will produce substantial benefits for the NRLCA and the USPS going forward. ( how's that working out for the carriers? )
-- From Clarke's "Award" -- The Board of Arbitration ( Clarke and the NRLCA and USPS reps ) will direct adoption of a study that requires the parties to adopt the engineered standards and related recommendations on the Evaluated Compensation System within the parties' traditional incentive system without recourse to the grievance and arbitration procedure.
-- Clarke also added that the parties agree to proceed in good faith and in all due haste so that the revised Evaluated Compensation System will be implemented by May 20, 2015. ( with that he washed his hands of it, even when rural carriers wrote to him that the implementation date had come and gone )
-- RRECS "introduced" in 2022!
-- Someone else to point the fickle finger at would be then-President Dwyer who said in her "From the Desk Of" article in the August 2018 edition of the national magazine:
- "The parties chose to enter a Memorandum of Understanding ( MOU ) on how to develop RRECS rather than have Arbitrator Clarke dictate how it would be done."
