NALC and USPS reach tentative agreement

[jsthere723]

That’s nice but I didn’t see you posting 10% anywhere…
Moving on, I think this contract will actually pass because of the Huge number of step A carriers.
Unfortunately…

Not important. Was talking about 20% is false

 

[agilent80]

The way i see it..... You need to subtract out the cola increases. THAT WAS BUILT IN (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) 1.3% PLUS 1,000 FOR THREE YEARS
8% OVERALL (ROUGH MATH)
ITS CRAP

 

[Garlban]

At the beginning of the contract term a carrier is at whatever step they are at, by the time the contract ends, they are roughly three steps higher than they were at the beginning. So for table two if you compare your salary at the end at the higher step attained to the salary at the beginning with the lower step, it's a roughly 20ish% increase. As a rural 20% is doable. I'm near the 10 year mark for retirement purposes, if I can stick it out another 10 - then sitting at top step for high 3; things could be worse. I like to say that I've been here too long to walk away, but not long enough to retire. STUCK. What's been done has been done and it won't be made right in my lifetime.

 

[Garlban]

At the beginning of the contract term a carrier is at whatever step they are at, by the time the contract ends, they are roughly three steps higher than they were at the beginning. So for table two if you compare your salary at the end at the higher step attained to the salary at the beginning with the lower step, it's a roughly 20ish% increase. As a rural 20% is doable. I'm near the 10 year mark for retirement purposes, if I can stick it out another 10 - then sitting at top step for high 3; things could be worse. I like to say that I've been here too long to walk away, but not long enough to retire. STUCK. What's been done has been done and it won't be made right in my lifetime.

Right??? No one sits at the same step for 3 years unless they are already at the top.

 

[RollinRural]

Most carriers are getting a total of $7k over the term without moving up steps just looking straight down the salary table.
Also want to mention my 20% for table 2 step A is also straight down numbers. If adding in the fact that the carrier moves up 2 or 3 steps, it would be much higher than 20%

 

[Garlban]

Most carriers are getting a total of $7k over the term without moving up steps just looking straight down the salary table.
Also want to mention my 20% for table 2 step A is also straight down numbers. If adding in the fact that the carrier moves up 2 or 3 steps, it would be much higher than 20%

but you are getting more than a 7k wage increase because you are also getting the step increases along the way so you have to go down and across the table to figure the % increase. But even if there were no contract you would also still be getting the steps so maybe that shouldn't be considered a "raise" because it was already negotiated.

 

[RollinRural]

but you are getting more than a 7k wage increase because you are also getting the step increases along the way so you have to go down and across the table to figure the % increase. But even if there were no contract you would also still be getting the steps so maybe that shouldn't be considered a "raise" because it was already negotiated.

Yes that’s right
In my opinion the raises aren’t enough and I’d be voting No, however, people need to look at their own step and current salary, and compare the actual total increases to see what they’d be making in the near future before voting based solely on the 1.3% number without understanding the entire picture.

 

[BluesClues]

The negotiating team knew it was happening at the time. Just like the current team knows formula offices are the future.
Truly, the only way left to defend and protect the entire craft is hourly. It would create more positions and provide better schedules for relief carriers.

And, regardless of how bad the new offer is- enough people will vote for a cr@p sandwich to pass it. And then promptly deny they voted for it. I have a strong suspicion that schedules will be even more impacted after this proposed contract.

The erosion of the craft and it's quality of representation has depressed me mightily. Too many, in all stages, think only of their own pockets. They screw over the entire craft to make a few personal gains. Carriers and officers alike are guilty.

Hourly would turn our entire K route office into part time aux routes at 22 hrs a week.. so no it would not save our craft. Maybe some offices but we would effectively lose our careers.

 

[U caught my attention]

Why would any employer want to pay employees for unworked hours?

We are truely stuck in a dysfunctional cycle.

 

[BluesClues]

Why would any employer want to pay employees for unworked hours?

If it wasn't for the incentive to work as hard as we do at our office, every one of us would leave the Post Office in a heart beat. My route is 46 miles, 630 customers, all curb side. On average 150 scans a day and 4 trays of DPS, 2 flats. I take DPS to the street, remember all my parcels and work out of on average 3 bundles and move as fast as human possible. The 22 hours worked each week is worth a full time route. Why would they pay someone like you 42 hours to do it and me 22? They can pay me for my experience and efficiency that took me 10 years to refine. We were an Amazon office for the majority of my time there and we had no choice but to work like dogs and refine our efficiencies to make it back before dark.. AND we did! So the way we can run things makes us be able to turn 44 hour routes into 22 hours. Your comment feels uninformed and a slap in the face to be frank.

 

[agilent80]

Why would any employer want to pay employees for unworked hours?

We are truely stuck in a dysfunctional cycle.

That is the evaluated system set-up by USPS We don't get paid for over evaluation
THE question should be Why would you work hours that you do not get paid

 

[RollinRural]

^^^^^ above comment (BluesClues) absolutely right.
People on here who talk about hourly don’t seem to get this. I assume they all just work as slow or slower than city carriers. Clueless as to what we’ve been through.

 

[She mails rural]

Ty for that information it's a shame it isn't better news. I think they should vote no. It's crazy how they talk about needs to hire but still wanting the ones they have to do a 2 or 3 man job for a very small increase. Not only that they aren't at least paying more on their raised health care insurance. More stuff they wasted ink on paper. Just my opinion

 

[U caught my attention]

There's no reason to get offended.

I simply question why an employer would pay an employee for unworked hours? What is in it for the employer? What are they getting?

Then ask yourself if What they are getting is worth the cost.

 

[RollinRural]

There's no reason to get offended.

I simply question why an employer would pay an employee for unworked hours? What is in it for the employer? What are they getting?

Then ask yourself if What they are getting is worth the cost.

Ask the usps why they’re trying to put the city side on our rrecs evaluated pay system and not be hourly any longer.
It’s a win win for the employer and employee.
The OIG did a study about 10 years ago detailing how the evaluated system saved the post office millions.

 

[LEFTINGUTTER]

LouSanius et al -- "Same and every person I know as the post office has voted no yet they still pass with like 75% yes votes."

-- Actually it was about 71.5%, so basically true for the 2021-2024 contract.

-- However, of the 92,000+ ballots mailed out, only 21,500+ sent the ballot back to be counted. That's about 23% of the membership!

Do non union members get to vote?

 

[U caught my attention]

the evaluated system saved the post office millions

And there is the cost

 

[RollinRural]

And there is the cost

Yea most of the cost savings was from not needing as many managers/supervisors to walk around and harass the city carriers.
It’s all in the report, very detailed.

 

[jsthere723]

Do non union members get to vote?

It doesn’t work that way . Everything through union . If not a member you just get to watch

 

[lbpd16]

When you can’t strike you have no leverage and you get crappy contracts. Its really just that simple.