blue_goose1348
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Believe it is mail retrieval and is done by number of parcels and footage of number of trips.
ARC doing clerk work
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Shannonboy
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Because....you arent helping everybody, you are taking money from people that need it obviously....in reality you are helping po mgmt who are worthless already, be more WORTHLESS...
Dominator
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Maybe you're using a thievery concept colloquially, but an employee crossing crafts is not "stealing" from anyone. Management's decision to assign the wrong employee to the work is on management; never the craft employees involved.
Yes, the APWU member is entitled to the work and subsequent compensation. Proving the wrong employee was used shouldn't be a tough battle. That gets the clerk a payday.
Simultaneously, the NRLCA member is due more than just a straight time wage they'd recieve for actual hours worked. If the NRLCA just settles for wagging the giant foam finger of "cease and desist" without additional compensation for that labor, then that's just another of the union's perfunctory hack jobs.
The company understands bleeding money better than any sternly written letter.
As for my stance on unions, I'm not "anti-union", however, I am anti-perfunctory representation; in both internal and external affairs.
U caught my attention
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Well call me stupid, but how is it helping tremendously?
Sorry...I just realized
Its the question forum. No general discussion
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Shannonboy
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Oh come on u caught....Well call me stupid, but how is it helping tremendously?
Sorry...I just realized
Its the question forum. No general discussion
I always like what you say. Usually, it's right on target too. Just because OP has a question, doesnt mean we can't use our brains, and think our way to the answer on this site! It just educate everybody else too......how do think we have all survived the po this long...
sometimes it's like herding cats.Well call me stupid, but how is it helping tremendously?
Sorry...I just realized
Its the question forum. No general discussion
or nailing jello to a tree.
i was fixing to move it...so here it goes...
EthelAnne
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“I’m not anti-union but the shop steward is human waste.”
“I don’t really need a job but I had to leave my last job because it only paid $17/hr.”
And 6K packages for 26 routes (230 parcels per route) shouldn’t require auxiliary assistance, under normal circumstances. You may think management is wonderful in that office but they’re paying two people (the regular carrier and you) to do the job that should be done by one person.
And, btw, USPS posted a loss of $1.6 billion last quarter.
@Hamparc, a unionized workplace is not for everyone. Fortunately for you, there are lots of non-union jobs out there. I hear they pay around $17 an hour. Or, you know, you could go back to that thriving bee business of yours.
“I don’t really need a job but I had to leave my last job because it only paid $17/hr.”
And 6K packages for 26 routes (230 parcels per route) shouldn’t require auxiliary assistance, under normal circumstances. You may think management is wonderful in that office but they’re paying two people (the regular carrier and you) to do the job that should be done by one person.
And, btw, USPS posted a loss of $1.6 billion last quarter.
I dunno but they clearly came here to post anti-union crap. I think it’s probably a case of a carrier who realizes violating the contract personally benefits them and is angry with the steward for upholding the contract because, you know, that won't personally benefit them.
@Hamparc, a unionized workplace is not for everyone. Fortunately for you, there are lots of non-union jobs out there. I hear they pay around $17 an hour. Or, you know, you could go back to that thriving bee business of yours.
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EthelAnne
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I think you’re right!
The only thing I can offer from working at only three stations is that this PO is FAR different than the two other. The two other stations were complete zoos and the pressure was nuts. The other two stations made arcs use static load for example?This is a bad way to start people with no route experience. Where I am now they have developed travel path sheets for every route which I have found to be a god send. These sheets were developed by an ARC who eventually became a regular and my office adopted the sheets as a "go to" for ARCs and new RCAsUnfortunately these sheets are 4-5 years outdated. I asked my PM if it's possible to update In addition the turn over in management, in both of the other locations was high. One had a manager (higher position than a supervisor??) that was there for 20 years and she left while I was there. In the short time I was there three managers came & went. My current office has a PM and SM who work 12 hours 6 days a week. Probably 7 days but I'm off 1 day/wk so I don't know if they are there as well. The PM is there at 6AM and he's scanning, and throwing parcels and packages along with the clerks. Is he stealing money?
I firmly believe that my current station is an exception to most other offices. There has been ZERO pressure from my supervisor and I've had a few simply horrendous runs and, upon returning, I'd apologize. The response was always the same, "no worries, you're new" or something similar. It's simply a great office period. Nearly all of the carriers are great, upbeat people. We all work together and nobody is too busy to help someone else. The unofficial MO is, "I'm happy to help as long as you help someone else who needs it. The only 2-3 inaccessible people are the ones with the large headphones. Wear them so people see," don't bother me".
FWIW my area is growing like crazy and has been growing this way for 20 years. This station went from 17 to 26 routes within the last 8 years fwiw.
Anyway, I think I'm in a great situation that's FAR different than any other I've heard of. Of course I may be wrong.
I've had many friends who are past PO employees and all of them seemed to hate their job??? I suspect some thread participants aren't loving their job??? Several people have told me they "LOVE" working at this station and I do too other than the 13 hour days like yesterday
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Another fwiw if I may. I'm 67 and I don't need to work. I'm far from wealthy but I have enough money for my life style. I feel that I "HAVE TO" work and I enjoy hard work although I don't consider my position as hard work. It's definitely a lot of work but it's not difficult to perform this job. Still I. I feel productive and this is something I need to feel every day. We have another ARC who is 76 and he's awesome at his job. Pretty much proof this isn't a physically demanding job imo. I call my job the hardest easy job I've ever had.
I'm surprised at the tone of several participants of this thread and I'd love to know if anyone else is in a similar situation as I am regarding their work environment. It also seems like most contributors are staunch union supporters. I mean to the point where I'm being told to shut my mouth etc. Ya'll are all about the union which, of course, is fine for ya'll. Personally I feel that unions foster poor work performance and, through many decades of life experiences, foster an attitude that's poisonous and contagious. There are very few union jobs here and I absolutely love it. I came here from LINY 40 years ago. LINY is a God awful place to live and raise a family. My home town for the last 40 years is nothing less than amazing! It's like being on vacation every day. I have a coworker who transferred from LI fairly recently and he is on cloud nine. His attitude is nothing like the prevalent attitude here in this thread and, again, almost the entire station has people of the same mindset.
Lastly I'll say, union or no, postal employees work their gluteous maximus off (is that allowed?
). I have a large amount of respect for all of crafts and all who participated in this thread although some do seem to be dissatisfied with their work environment. I can tell that a few here are shaking their head regarding my attitude. That's fine. You do you and I'll do me.
Best wishes to all and if you don't like what you're place in life is then change it. Transfer to a better place or whatever it takes to not be so miserable.
Thanks
I firmly believe that my current station is an exception to most other offices. There has been ZERO pressure from my supervisor and I've had a few simply horrendous runs and, upon returning, I'd apologize. The response was always the same, "no worries, you're new" or something similar. It's simply a great office period. Nearly all of the carriers are great, upbeat people. We all work together and nobody is too busy to help someone else. The unofficial MO is, "I'm happy to help as long as you help someone else who needs it. The only 2-3 inaccessible people are the ones with the large headphones. Wear them so people see," don't bother me".
FWIW my area is growing like crazy and has been growing this way for 20 years. This station went from 17 to 26 routes within the last 8 years fwiw.
Anyway, I think I'm in a great situation that's FAR different than any other I've heard of. Of course I may be wrong.
I've had many friends who are past PO employees and all of them seemed to hate their job??? I suspect some thread participants aren't loving their job??? Several people have told me they "LOVE" working at this station and I do too other than the 13 hour days like yesterday
. Another fwiw if I may. I'm 67 and I don't need to work. I'm far from wealthy but I have enough money for my life style. I feel that I "HAVE TO" work and I enjoy hard work although I don't consider my position as hard work. It's definitely a lot of work but it's not difficult to perform this job. Still I. I feel productive and this is something I need to feel every day. We have another ARC who is 76 and he's awesome at his job. Pretty much proof this isn't a physically demanding job imo. I call my job the hardest easy job I've ever had.
I'm surprised at the tone of several participants of this thread and I'd love to know if anyone else is in a similar situation as I am regarding their work environment. It also seems like most contributors are staunch union supporters. I mean to the point where I'm being told to shut my mouth etc. Ya'll are all about the union which, of course, is fine for ya'll. Personally I feel that unions foster poor work performance and, through many decades of life experiences, foster an attitude that's poisonous and contagious. There are very few union jobs here and I absolutely love it. I came here from LINY 40 years ago. LINY is a God awful place to live and raise a family. My home town for the last 40 years is nothing less than amazing! It's like being on vacation every day. I have a coworker who transferred from LI fairly recently and he is on cloud nine. His attitude is nothing like the prevalent attitude here in this thread and, again, almost the entire station has people of the same mindset.
Lastly I'll say, union or no, postal employees work their gluteous maximus off (is that allowed?
). I have a large amount of respect for all of crafts and all who participated in this thread although some do seem to be dissatisfied with their work environment. I can tell that a few here are shaking their head regarding my attitude. That's fine. You do you and I'll do me. Best wishes to all and if you don't like what you're place in life is then change it. Transfer to a better place or whatever it takes to not be so miserable.
Thanks
OK OK! Why the attitude? I wait! I know exactly why so disregard the question please. The sarcasm is palatable and is juvenile and does nothing from a contributory standpoint.
My bee removal business has made me bank every year for the last 10. I get $200.00 and hour to remove bees. You making that much carrying cellulose bro? It's a very special skill set just like your job right? Yup, not so much.
When I'm not removing bee hives or working at the PO I'm kayak fishing and catching redfish almost every trip. I leave my house and I'm making my first cast in 10 minutes. Life is amazing here. AMAZING!
SORRY but not really.
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EthelAnne
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See now, if I were making $200/hr I think I'd rather spend my free time kayaking instead of hauling Amazon packages.
And, yeah, I don't make $200/hr, but if I told you how much I do make, you'd hate unions even more.
U caught my attention
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This is odd to me. It is inefficient to give aux assistance if a carrier is capable to do the work themselves. I have turned aux assistance down many times. I too love my job and would not feel right giving away work to someone that I myself can do. I would be very upset actually to see my work taken away from me without my knowledge or input. Heck, maybe depending on the mix of those 200 to 300 parcels per route, they might not even need help. I have loaded a mailbox with small and then delivered 15 large to door at one house...next house 8 to door....you see what I mean. 300 seems like a lot, but density cuts travel time. Up and down 15 individual houses takes longer than up and down 1. I want the courtesy to assess my own complete volume and then hand over only of I feel I need to. There is no curfew to the day a regular rural carrier needs to be off the street, as long as management agrees, I like handling my own volumes as much as they permit during Christmas OT. This is a labor intensive job. (do not down play it because of your age) This job requires constant focus and direct attention to task. Carriers die on the streets, this job is dangerous. I personally have been taken down a notch through a couple injuries on the job over the years. I value my body and mind better than I ever did before. Our heathy mind and body is the greatest piece of equipment we can give our employer. A 7 to 8 hour day on street with constant focus and attention to repetitive task is mentally exhausting. The physical repetitive task of delivery, added to the weight of some parcel delivery is physically exhausting. It all takes a toll on the body day in and day out. Breaks are a must for me and so is food consumption.....those things to stay fit and alert for the job are time consuming daily. Rurals do not need management to determine their day, its insulting actually because it shows very little respect to our professionalism. What is happening in your office would not fly with me. I would put a stop to that every single time.
What exactly are the rural carriers doing while you are sorting and delivering all their packages for them. Lol, that just makes me chuckle.
EthelAnne
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FWIW, USPS reports that 70% of parcels are considered SPRs. (Whether they actually are or not, I dunno, but that's what they tell us). So out of 230 parcels, 161 could possibly be SPRs.
My highest day this past peak season was 277 parcels. (I did not get aux assistance).
I can only offer what I have experienced. Last evening was a good example. I wad asked to take the parcels from rt 2. The parcels for 3 were directly next to 2 and I loaded them into buggy by mistake. There were 22 parcels for rt 2 and 23 for rt 3. It was 5:20PM. The route 3 regular was in the office chatting with another person. I told my supervisor that I loaded, and marked it 2 routes and not just 2. I said that I didn't mind taking the parcels from both routes and she said go ahead. What do you think the regular on Rt 2 said? She said thank you VERY much for taking my stuff. It will be nice to get home earlier than usual. Nobody has yet to claim that us ARCs are taking work that they want so I don't know what else to say about it. I would NEVER steal hours from anyone. So far our regulars and RCAs have been nothing less than pleased that they have ARCs to help them. I'm sure it will slow down after everyone cashes in their Amazon gift cards but it's still as peak volume with only one lightish day since Christmas.
U caught my attention
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Is that 70% figure pre or post delivery?
Any pre delivery argument is garbage. There are too many issues we face
People order in bulk on my rt. Multi sprs in a day add up to large.
Customers not emptying their box on the daily. A medium would fit, but not when there are 5 smaller from past 3 days.
Box size matters too.
Let's talk about real delivered volume not pretend pre delivery volume. I personally try to keep note of box vs door just for my own future reference (to see fluctuations) I did have a lot of trayed parcels....I suppose those seem like quick deliveries and would boost delivered parcels per hour, but they need to be mindful that density adds a component that tilts that in the other direction.
Any pre delivery argument is garbage. There are too many issues we face
People order in bulk on my rt. Multi sprs in a day add up to large.
Customers not emptying their box on the daily. A medium would fit, but not when there are 5 smaller from past 3 days.
Box size matters too.
Let's talk about real delivered volume not pretend pre delivery volume. I personally try to keep note of box vs door just for my own future reference (to see fluctuations) I did have a lot of trayed parcels....I suppose those seem like quick deliveries and would boost delivered parcels per hour, but they need to be mindful that density adds a component that tilts that in the other direction.
EthelAnne
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It’s based upon the definition of a SPR according to the USPS. On the Lookahead, you’ll see Truck icons and brown parcel icons. The brown parcel icons indicate a SPR.
U caught my attention
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So pre-route.
Yes, I have noticed the way they classify. It doesnt always jive with how I deliver. After you scan with load truck those classifications disappear and only a green truck icon is left .
I am not always diligent with my own personal data collection. I am a nerd at heart and like to see my own performance against volumes. I do use load truck to get a total pre route number (adjust for items not accepted into loadtruck)..tally only large as I deliver and then deduct large from pre route total to get delivered box #. I just looked briefly at some of my days data. Some are at 65% some days more and some less. Never really thought about this component used on a grander scale as analysis % for something. Over time, patterns always emerge. Patterns = consistency with action and shows intent and or practice. Peak volumes can occur at other times in the year. Comparing seems EZ/PZ. We know there is pre and post delivery classifications. Very interesting with all the data collection what and how it can be utilized and interpreted. I would be interested to see how 4241A and M data compares to pre route classifications over 52 weeks.
I might be over estimating data collection and the ability to analyze but I would assume questionable things will be questioned.
Yes, I have noticed the way they classify. It doesnt always jive with how I deliver. After you scan with load truck those classifications disappear and only a green truck icon is left .
I am not always diligent with my own personal data collection. I am a nerd at heart and like to see my own performance against volumes. I do use load truck to get a total pre route number (adjust for items not accepted into loadtruck)..tally only large as I deliver and then deduct large from pre route total to get delivered box #. I just looked briefly at some of my days data. Some are at 65% some days more and some less. Never really thought about this component used on a grander scale as analysis % for something. Over time, patterns always emerge. Patterns = consistency with action and shows intent and or practice. Peak volumes can occur at other times in the year. Comparing seems EZ/PZ. We know there is pre and post delivery classifications. Very interesting with all the data collection what and how it can be utilized and interpreted. I would be interested to see how 4241A and M data compares to pre route classifications over 52 weeks.
I might be over estimating data collection and the ability to analyze but I would assume questionable things will be questioned.Shannonboy
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Wwhhhheeeeewwwweeeee....I bet that stung....that ethelanne dances like a butterfly, and stings like a BEE
Ethelanne....I may not dislike you as much after that comment....
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