Claims Rural Route Cartiers Make 100k a year?

Gyros6875 · Mar 7, 2023

I mean you can. Carriers on K routes in my office are on step 3 or 4 on Table 1 Make 85-90k because they work so many K days and 70 hours a week during Christmas Overtime. If they were maxed out on steps they would easily be making 100k.

stillfirstclass · Mar 7, 2023

Who knows what said:
Table 1 step 12. 48k. 91k per year. Work a couple of daca 5 and your there.

would take about 18 daca 5's,,, which is quite common

Old Fart · Mar 7, 2023

Haygrrl said:
Yep..
They need to be educated on the difference between city carriers and rural carriers...city in our area easily make 80,90,+k a year and a few went into the 100k during covid..but definitely NOT rurals.
And only like you said....table 1,step 12,overburdened and working relief days.......

As an RCA, mostly working one year close to 90 hours a week I was pushing 100K. THAT'S how much you have to work to reach that!!! I frequently had to have paper checks authorized as anyone working that many hours sets off a trigger in Eagan for fraud, so the PM has to validate the hours and they issue paper instead of direct deposit. I lived to tell about it, and never, ever want to do anything that stupid again. I was new, and said yes to everything, thought I had to.

Worve · Mar 7, 2023

Old Fart said:
As an RCA, mostly working one year close to 90 hours a week I was pushing 100K. THAT'S how much you have to work to reach that!!! I frequently had to have paper checks authorized as anyone working that many hours sets off a trigger in Eagan for fraud, so the PM has to validate the hours and they issue paper instead of direct deposit. I lived to tell about it, and never, ever want to do anything that stupid again. I was new, and said yes to everything, thought I had to.

Even if you say no you still have to do it. Unless of course it would put you past 12 hrs worked. Then and only then they may flinch pending on how much penalty for making you do it. Mine is up to 2050$ each time they mandate I work over 12 hrs currently. Hasn’t happened in a little bit next day after holiday it will, paper check will be needed again

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edit: side note you can make over 100k without EMA as an rca. The hours and grievances with penalty needed Are ridiculous tho. Another reason I don’t understand why more don’t file on any/all breaks of contract. Just need decent union rep. Or be pig headed enough to take it all the way up the chain. If no remedy file on union not representing you equally/fairly.

btdtret · Mar 7, 2023

All -- "Claims Rural Route Cartiers Make 100k a year?"

-- Certainly a typo, but anyone who is a "Cartier" should be making more than 100K a year.

Old Fart · Mar 7, 2023

Worve said:
Even if you say no you still have to do it. Unless of course it would put you past 12 hrs worked. Then and only then they may flinch pending on how much penalty for making you do it. Mine is up to 2050$ each time they mandate I work over 12 hrs currently. Hasn’t happened in a little bit next day after holiday it will, paper check will be needed again .

edit: side note you can make over 100k without EMA as an rca. The hours and grievances with penalty needed Are ridiculous tho. Another reason I don’t understand why more don’t file on any/all breaks of contract. Just need decent union rep. Or be pig headed enough to take it all the way up the chain. If no remedy file on union not representing you equally/fairly.

I didn't have EMA. I did work 14 to 16 hour days often though.

csparks · Mar 8, 2023

Jacob6875 said:
I mean you can. Carriers on K routes in my office are on step 3 or 4 on Table 1 Make 85-90k because they work so many K days and 70 hours a week during Christmas Overtime. If they were maxed out on steps they would easily be making 100k.

From the story, it seemed like the PO was trying to spin a line like "Hey, we pay people up to $100k", insinuating that low pay is not the reason for the problem. In reality, low pay is the problem NOW.

No one can start at the PO now and hope to make $100k in a year. Not at $19.54/hour. That is strictly a gone deal.

KDM · Mar 8, 2023

csparks said:
I actually emailed the reporter that did the story and explained the typical hiring via the step 2 RCA. Wonder if they'd bother to chase that down? It would certainly help explain the story, and why the crisis is so bad. No way someone can afford to work for the PO in that area, and commuting is equally impossible.

Where do all the fast food workers, grocery store, and any other lower income level live. I no the wage isn't enough for the work that you do but others are doing it. It just can't be usps. FedEx or ups how do they handle the situation?

Old Fart · Mar 8, 2023

KDM said:
Where do all the fast food workers, grocery store, and any other lower income level live. I no the wage isn't enough for the work that you do but others are doing it. It just can't be usps. FedEx or ups how do they handle the situation?

Entry level wages aren't meant to provide for a worker to be self sufficient in most cases. One study had 78% of fast food workers as part time high school, college or home supplement (second income) workers. For those who work into shift or management positions, the compensation is better. Some have second incomes as well. Dual incomes is a must in most households, and those who can't afford to live where they work commute, just like post office workers.

The average household income in one county where some of our offices are is almost $100K per year. This is really two $50K incomes or 3 35K incomes to be average.

TheDude · Mar 8, 2023

csparks said:
From the story, it seemed like the PO was trying to spin a line like "Hey, we pay people up to $100k", insinuating that low pay is not the reason for the problem. In reality, low pay is the problem NOW.

No one can start at the PO now and hope to make $100k in a year. Not at $19.54/hour. That is strictly a gone deal.

It should be pretty simple to explain to people. At $19.54 an hour, you would need to work nearly 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a years to GROSS $100K.

Then point out to them that Regular Carriers CAN make $100K a year once they get a full route. Then tell them that some RCAs can go anywhere from 2 years to 15 years before they get a full route.

Then finally point out that once you become a Regular, on table 2, you probably won't reach that $100K for a decade and that's only if you work 6 days a week.

So, yeah, it's possible for a new hire.......if you work 6 days a week and with anywhere from 12-25 years on the job.

gettingcloser · Mar 12, 2023

They need to explain the difference between table 1 and table 2. Which, we all know is crap. Just for info purposes, Table 1 carrier step 2 (barely made it in table 1 window). 45K working most K days daca 5. I should approach 90K depending on WRECKS.