Drivers training pay

[carrier789]

How should I get paid when they send me down for drivers training on these new vehicles? I know I get paid for the miles to drive there. Regular carrier

It’s 20 miles from my office and they said it will take 4.5 hours for the training.
They said that I have to complete my route when I get back. They said they have a sub to do just part of it to help out.
Just curious cause someone from the other office said they covered the entire route for them and they got paid for the day when they went for training…

 

[neciat]

Article 10 of The Nat'l Agreement has this ;

J. Training Presentations

When a rural carrier (Designation 71) is required to view
training films, slides or other training presentations which are
not incidental to normal daily performance, and has not been
provided an equivalent amount of auxiliary assistance, the
carrier will be compensated based on the actual time required
multiplied by the carrier’s straight time rate (Article 8.3.A.).
In those instances when training is received in full-day incre-
ments, the carrier will receive compensation for the full day(s)
at the daily evaluated rate of the assigned route.
All other rural carriers (Designations 73, 75, 76, and 78) will be
compensated based on actual time used for training multi-
plied by their individual computed hourly rate.

And while NOT stating "how" to be compensated, Article 30 has this ;

M. Driver Certification

When an employee in the rural carrier craft is required to be
absent from duty to receive Vehicle Familiarization and Safe
Operation Certification, the carrier shall be in a pay status and
shall not be charged with leave for the day

 

[Charlie Brown]

You should also receive mileage pay for any miles over your normal commute.
Example: It is 5 miles to the post office where you work and 20 miles to the training site. You should be paid for 30 miles, 15 each way.

 

[carrier789]

Ok so…
1) mileage over the distance traveled to the post office
2) If sent for 5 hours of training and route is evaluated at 8 you should receive 5 hours of assistance.
So what if you have a 8 hour route and they only provide 1-2 hours of assistants? Are you paid anything that you work over your 8 hour evaluation between training and finishing your route?

 

[neciat]

You can look over The F-21. Travel time is explained in Section 260 beginning with 261.1 .

https://ruralinfo.net/shared-files/104116832/?F-21-Time-and-Attendance.pdf

 

[oi veh.]

Ok so…
1) mileage over the distance traveled to the post office
2) If sent for 5 hours of training and route is evaluated at 8 you should receive 5 hours of assistance.
So what if you have a 8 hour route and they only provide 1-2 hours of assistants? Are you paid anything that you work over your 8 hour evaluation between training and finishing your route?

that's bs.

call your DR now.

you should be on a P code for the day and an RCA should be carrying your full route.

 

[carrier789]

that's bs.

call your DR now.

you should be on a P code for the day and an RCA should be carrying your full route.

Ok definitely didn’t know that!! I’m assuming I’m going to be forced to carry most of it regardless… I guess now it’s just going to be how am I going to be paid. Anywhere in writing for this? What I read above seems like they can give me assistance to cover part of it

 

[oi veh.]

Ok definitely didn’t know that!! I’m assuming I’m going to be forced to carry most of it regardless… I guess now it’s just going to be how am I going to be paid. Anywhere in writing for this? What I read above seems like they can give me assistance to cover part of it

did you call your DR today?

your DR can quash this.

@neciat gave you the references in post #2.

 

[carrier789]

did you call your DR today?

your DR can quash this.

@neciat gave you the references in post #2.

We just contacted our district rep. She said that we can go for a half day of training and work our route for a half a day and we only get paid our evaluation. Although she sides with management on any problem we ever have so it’s hard to say.

 

[RammerJammer]

We just contacted our district rep. She said that we can go for a half day of training and work our route for a half a day and we only get paid our evaluation. Although she sides with management on any problem we ever have so it’s hard to say.

Most of em should have to wear a badge that says Assistant to the Regional Manager.

 

[carrier789]

our DR also told management they can send us to training and have us come back after and sit in the office and do nothing until our evaluation is up… we have a great one working for us here

 

[oi veh.]

our DR also told management they can send us to training and have us come back after and sit in the office and do nothing until our evaluation is up… we have a great one working for us here

you need to report her/him to national.

nicky phillips.

 

[carrier789]

you need to report her/him to national.

nicky phillips.

I sent Natasha a message yesterday I found her information on the NLRCA website hopefully I hear back from her. I didn't see any contact information for Nicky on there.

Natasha Patterson
Natasha Patterson was elected to the National Board of the National Rural Letter Carriers' Association at the 119th National Convention in Orlando, FL on August 22, 2025 to serve a four-year term as Executive Committeeman.
Post Office Box 40985
St. Petersburg, FL 33743
Phone: (571) 502-7227

 

[oi veh.]

I sent Natasha a message yesterday I found her information on the NLRCA website hopefully I hear back from her. I didn't see any contact information for Nicky on there.

Natasha Patterson
Natasha Patterson was elected to the National Board of the National Rural Letter Carriers' Association at the 119th National Convention in Orlando, FL on August 22, 2025 to serve a four-year term as Executive Committeeman.
Post Office Box 40985
St. Petersburg, FL 33743
Phone: (571) 502-7227

hopefully you will. she's good people.

nicky is over all stewards, to include DRs. call the main number and ask for him.