Evaluation Results

[ATCBigE]

You can definitely figure it out how much you have lost from the drop of door delivery. It’s all there in 4241m . You see the loss in out of route drive time , you see the loss in out of route walk distance, you see the loss in number of prelim and securing . You add those up . And then add up another .7 minutes per package . Roughly that’s your loss from the drop in door delivery

Yes you can figure out that way in general, but unless you have a breakdown complete of every single address on your route by yearly because it changes all the time and you can't 100% figure out the stuff.

Example

123 Doe st Spring C
MB 12
Door 20

123 Doe st Fall Count
MB 18
Door 6

125 Doe St Spring Count
MB 50
Door 40

125 Doe st Fall Count
MB 30
Door 55

I mean people have anywhere from couple hundred addresses to thousands, and unless you get a complete breakdown, there isn't a way to figure out exactly what you are losing exactly because it changes over the year and it is so complex. Again information that is hidden from everyone. How do I know their calculations correct because I can't do it or check it over.

 

[jsthere723]

Yes you can figure out that way in general, but unless you have a breakdown complete of every single address on your route by yearly because it changes all the time and you can't 100% figure out the stuff.

Example

123 Doe st Spring C
MB 12
Door 20

123 Doe st Fall Count
MB 18
Door 6

125 Doe St Spring Count
MB 50
Door 40

125 Doe st Fall Count
MB 30
Door 55

I mean people have anywhere from couple hundred addresses to thousands, and unless you get a complete breakdown, there isn't a way to figure out exactly what you are losing exactly because it changes over the year and it is so complex. Again information that is hidden from everyone. How do I know their calculations correct because I can't do it or check it over.

I don’t know what else exactly you are looking for or what else also you need to look at ! You already found out how much you lost in drive time because of loss of 4.3 package to door and how much you lost in walk distance. Then you plan it out how to mitigate that loss with the packages you have now . I personally wouldn’t even look at that . No need to. Simply maximize drive , maximize walk . That’s all you can do

 

[ATCBigE]

I don’t know what else exactly you are looking for or what else also you need to look at ! You already found out how much you lost in drive time because of loss of 4.3 package to door and how much you lost in walk distance. Then you plan it out how to mitigate that loss with the packages you have now . I personally wouldn’t even look at that . No need to. Simply maximize drive , maximize walk . That’s all you can do

Each address has different values based on walking distances and etc right??????? What I am saying is that you will NEVER know where you lost it at exactly because every 6 months things will change on volume and what each house gets.

EXAMPLE:

123 Doe St. 100 ft round trip walking from PP to Porch

Spring count
MB 25 in that year cycle
Porch 40 in that year cycle

Fall count
MB 30 in that year cycle
Porch 25 in that year cycle

125 Doe St 250 ft round trip walking from PP to porch

Spring count
MB 40 in that year cycle
Porch 25 in that year cycle

Fall count
MB 15 in that year cycle
Porch 40 in that year cycle

Like this example, package numbers are the same both count but will have different values, you have to do for every house to determine where you are losing at. You get a general idea of it, but never will have the exact spot you are losing the time and NOR will you eve get that info because it is huge amount of info.

It's just lack of transparency in showing everything to determine it. It's the whole TRUST ME process with USPS.

 

[Gotrope]

I hear you . Frankly , I believe the requirement that RCAs need to stay under 40 hrs to receive evaluation pay should be scrapped. And they should increase RCA pay little bit more and make them hourly (daily ) . Then probably they will learn . Otherwise, no matter how much training you provide to them they will take short cut

I did ask national 15 years ago to make rcas hourly by contract. I saw the problems of present and future craft. The only way to correct it was making them hourly to understand the job and mitigate the speed failures.
Everyone should consider a resolution through your state to make rcas hourly. It would probably create more ptf positions with benefits, as well. There are quite a few offices with ptfs now that are not formula. It was just the fastest way for mgmt to retain people.

 

[jsthere723]

Each address has different values based on walking distances and etc right??????? What I am saying is that you will NEVER know where you lost it at exactly because every 6 months things will change on volume and what each house gets.

EXAMPLE:

123 Doe St. 100 ft round trip walking from PP to Porch

Spring count
MB 25 in that year cycle
Porch 40 in that year cycle

Fall count
MB 30 in that year cycle
Porch 25 in that year cycle

125 Doe St 250 ft round trip walking from PP to porch

Spring count
MB 40 in that year cycle
Porch 25 in that year cycle

Fall count
MB 15 in that year cycle
Porch 40 in that year cycle

Like this example, package numbers are the same both count but will have different values, you have to do for every house to determine where you are losing at. You get a general idea of it, but never will have the exact spot you are losing the time and NOR will you eve get that info because it is huge amount of info.

It's just lack of transparency in showing everything to determine it. It's the whole TRUST ME process with USPS.

I still don’t see any problem. You see out of route drive and walk loss and you should know pretty much by heart where is more drive and where is more walk . And you try to mitigate that loss as much as possible accordingly. With existing package . Even if they would show you exact amount of credit given by each address for last 6 months that wouldn’t matter much for next 6 months . Because it will not be exact same number of packages to same exact addresses next 6 months . All you need to know are you loosing in drive , walk or both ? Then you try to mitigate that with maximizing walk and/or drive with packages you are getting for whatever addresses it is coming to . It is useless to see individual strength of an address for that purpose.

 

[stillfirstclass]

I hear you . Frankly , I believe the requirement that RCAs need to stay under 40 hrs to receive evaluation pay should be scrapped. And they should increase RCA pay little bit more and make them hourly (daily ) . Then probably they will learn . Otherwise, no matter how much training you provide to them they will take short cut

when i was a trainer, i would see copies of the 4240.... way toooo many had arrive depart return end that you could tell was fabricated by rca's to stay under 40, this was a theme that was more normal than not and when i discussed with pooms stewards and pm's, they could care less

 

[stillfirstclass]

In that case why are you fighting to go hourly?

i will answer with my 2 cents..... because to beat evaluation i had to create shortcuts and bust arse... if i was hourly, i wouldn't have run like crazy to get done like i did...

 

[Voglio-il mio]

I was pleased to learn that my Evaluation stayed the same. I was concerned that if it dropped others in my office would think that during this past year before retiring that I had lowered my standards.

Now that I have passed the torch in the battle to maintain maximum pay, (with what is required using RRECS) it will be the next owners of my Route responsibility to maintain.

 

[jsthere723]

i will answer with my 2 cents..... because to beat evaluation i had to create shortcuts and bust arse... if i was hourly, i wouldn't have run like crazy to get done like i did...

Don’t run now then . Matching the evaluation will suffice your well intention . Chances are you will still beat the evaluation more often than not

 

[66stang]

Does anybody else question why it takes so long for us to get our results? I have always wondered when exactly the USPS knows the results. And why can't they utilize LiteBlue to inform us when the results are in, instead of making us stress out for three weeks, and then also stress out the day that our postmaster informs us.

I predict most carriers (at least in my office) to lose either hours or days off. I hope I am safe from becoming a J route, but I am almost positive that I could lose 2 to 3 hours. I really miss those UPS parcels we used to get.

I find it interesting that before RRECS we could plug our numbers into the calculator on the union website and get a very accurate result. Now, with all this new technology we have to wait weeks...one step forward, two steps back. one of my coworkers says it takes so long is because they need the time to make the results say what they want them to say. Hope your office did well!

 

[stillfirstclass]

Don’t run now then . Matching the evaluation will suffice your well intention . Chances are you will still beat the evaluation more often than not

tuesdays and summer..... this subject is old.... i have said in past posts, city carriers on a day off: go canoeing, golfing, skiing, hikes..... rural carriers go to pt,, chiropractors,, mechanics,, autozone,,ect... on a day offf... i retired for 1 reason... the cheating of rca's to stay under 40 hours and the purposeful ruining of a route with wrecks so reg. peeps would get fed up and quit...

 

[mongo]

On the topic of delivering packages to the door and how Wrecks accounts for that: Does the system give credit for multiple parcels/items delivered to the same door? Or does it lump them all together for the same amount of time?

For instance, let's say delivery to 123 oak st. has 2 medium size boxes and 2 spurs on a particular day. The boxes won't fit in the mailbox. All are small/light enough to take to the door in one trip. In this situation (and similar) I always take ALL items to the door (on the advice of the regular carrier who did the route before I took it over). I scan each barcode at the door.

How does this affect the rrecs scoring system?

 

[neciat]

On the topic of delivering packages to the door and how Wrecks accounts for that: Does the system give credit for multiple parcels/items delivered to the same door? Or does it lump them all together for the same amount of time?

For instance, let's say delivery to 123 oak st. has 2 medium size boxes and 2 spurs on a particular day. The boxes won't fit in the mailbox. All are small/light enough to take to the door in one trip. In this situation (and similar) I always take ALL items to the door (on the advice of the regular carrier who did the route before I took it over). I scan each barcode at the door.

How does this affect the rrecs scoring system?

This from page 69 of The RRECS Guide , in part ;

When the carrier delivers an item with a barcode, they indicate on the MDD, where that
parcel was delivered: either Mailbox, Parcel Locker, or Door. The credit applied to each
item depends on where it is delivered, period. If the carrier indicated the item was
delivered to the mailbox or a parcel locker, the item is credited as a small‐medium
parcel. If the carrier indicated the item was delivered to the door, it is credited as a
large parcel.

 

[mongo]

This from page 69 of The RRECS Guide , in part ;

When the carrier delivers an item with a barcode, they indicate on the MDD, where that
parcel was delivered: either Mailbox, Parcel Locker, or Door. The credit applied to each
item depends on where it is delivered, period. If the carrier indicated the item was
delivered to the mailbox or a parcel locker, the item is credited as a small‐medium
parcel. If the carrier indicated the item was delivered to the door, it is credited as a
large parcel.

Excellent thanks! I will continue doing as I do then.

My route is not a traditional rural area. Most of the residents are basic suburbia. With volume down as it is I take several packages to the door even if it would fit in the mailbox. If it takes up more than half the box I'll just walk it.

I find out the results of the survey tomorrow...fingers crossed. Best of luck to all others...

 

[jsthere723]

Excellent thanks! I will continue doing as I do then.

My route is not a traditional rural area. Most of the residents are basic suburbia. With volume down as it is I take several packages to the door even if it would fit in the mailbox. If it takes up more than half the box I'll just walk it.

I find out the results of the survey tomorrow...fingers crossed. Best of luck to all others...

Thats not the whole picture. You will get door delivery credit as if all of them are large package sure . But it will be a slight bump . Still to your benefit . But the big increases in credit for 1st one will not apply to subsequent 3 . Say you have the 4 as you described and another carrier has also 4 . And it was for 4 different addresses. And all were delivered to door . That carrier will get 2 to 3 times more credit than you

 

[mongo]

Thats not the whole picture. You will get door delivery credit as if all of them are large package sure . But it will be a slight bump . Still to your benefit . But the big increases in credit for 1st one will not apply to subsequent 3 . Say you have the 4 as you described and another carrier has also 4 . And it was for 4 different addresses. And all were delivered to door . That carrier will get 2 to 3 times more credit than you

Gotcha. That helps thx. I have several homes that get multiple packages on a near daily basis. Was just wondering how it plays out when I take spurs to the door with the boxes that are already going that way. I'll take the bump.

And like I said I also take stuff to the door just for bump of it.

 

[damifiknow]

would you not put the small packages in the box? and take the other 2 to the door? and walk back and forth for the 2 to the door, then hit rrecs and 9 two trips?

 

[mongo]

would you not put the small packages in the box? and take the other 2 to the door? and walk back and forth for the 2 to the door, then hit rrecs and 9 two trips?

Hahaha, that seems a little too much like cheating. In the scenario I mentioned everything was small enough to carry in one Trip to Door.

BUT... if I had That much time I guess doing shuttle runs to people's front door is not out of the question. Might be necessary if volume keeps dropping

 

[tonsillitis]

would you not put the small packages in the box? and take the other 2 to the door? and walk back and forth for the 2 to the door, then hit rrecs and 9 two trips?

id rather bring all four to the door and get 4scans in there. more faster and u gets to work on your calf

 

[urcanus]

You people are insane if you think forcing RCAs to go hourly is the answer. There would be no reason not to reapply for city at that point. We have to use our own vehicles, subpar pay, no guarantee of conversion, no guaranteed PTF position, no guarantee of hours or days off, and now you want us to lose out on the evaluation system because of a few bad apples? And you people wonder why RCA retention rate is so darn low. How about, instead of constantly shoveling crap onto the RCAs just so the regulars can benefit, you actually propose a solution that benefits both? For example, when we, the dreaded RCAs, go past 40, we should retain evaluation pay and then just get paid 1.5x for every actual hour past 40 worked.

Of course this won't happen. I stay longer on EoS than half the regulars in my office. I do a proper load time every day. I will take stuff to the door even if it would technically fit in the box. I do all my scans. If your route is suffering that much, there's a good chance that your RCA is only a very, very small part of the problem. You could also be part of the problem and not realize it. More likely, the PO is screwing you over. Please stop trying to screw me over in return.