Have there been multi-unit dwellings and EDDM changes?

[Rural-life-0323]

OK something definitely changed months back. What is causing routes with multi-unit dwellings (apartments/condos/town-homes) to not get EDDM mailings? It's one thing that a route which is entirely apartments and businesses not get them, but we're noticing that routes that have single family homes and also one apartment mixed in are getting EDDM for everything other than their apartments.

Has there been some type of exclusion made?
USPS policy change?
Are we doing something wrong in our edit books?

I can't find anything online at all that suggests USPS made some kind of changes last year and am wondering if anyone knows or is seeing this, too. This has been going on for at least 6-9 months. The EDDM cost comes to mind for the all apartment route being the most expensive in the office with the most addresses, however if someone pays for another route with one apartment in it, and that one apartment is excluded but everyone else gets it, are they paying the same price and being cheated or a lower price? Something is certainly rotten in the state of Denmark.

EDIT: I may have confused EDDM with bulk prebundled WSS mailers. Either way apartments suddenly stopped getting them, it seems, months back.

 

[justacarrier]

OK something definitely changed months back. What is causing routes with multi-unit dwellings (apartments/condos/town-homes) to not get EDDM mailings? It's one thing that a route which is entirely apartments and businesses not get them, but we're noticing that routes that have single family homes and also one apartment mixed in are getting EDDM for everything other than their apartments.

Has there been some type of exclusion made?
USPS policy change?
Are we doing something wrong in our edit books?

I can't find anything online at all that suggests USPS made some kind of changes last year and am wondering if anyone knows or is seeing this, too. This has been going on for at least 6-9 months. The EDDM cost comes to mind for the all apartment route being the most expensive in the office with the most addresses, however if someone pays for another route with one apartment in it, and that one apartment is excluded but everyone else gets it, are they paying the same price and being cheated or a lower price? Something is certainly rotten in the state of Denmark.

It's actually the mailer/customer who decides where they want the EDDM delivered. The PO delivers what the customer pays for.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

It's actually the mailer/customer who decides where they want the EDDM delivered. The PO delivers what the customer pays for.

I understand that part but that doesn't seem to be the case happening here. The concerning part is that in the next cities over these same shippers are delivering to multi-unit places. It makes me think there is something else happening specific to our office.

Also does that mean the price on the website is not right? The reason I ask is on some routes the apartments make up a quarter to one-third of the routes. Are they paying (making up numbers) $100 for 1,000 address but if they don't want the apartments it's still $100 or $75 dollars for 750 addresses.

And a follow up, If they don't ship to "every door" (as the name EDDM implies) then why are they still WSS versus WSH when a huge chuck of the route is not getting them? My understanding is the reason the rates are lower with EDDM is because you are "saturating" the route(s).

Looking deeper, the issue might be coming from jackpotting, which a lot of people in the office do. Could that be causing it? I know we were all told to not do it and we're trying to fix that.

 

[justacarrier]

I understand that part but that doesn't seem to be the case happening here. The concerning part is that in the next cities over these same shippers are delivering to multi-unit places. It makes me think there is something else happening specific to our office.

Also does that mean the price on the website is not right? The reason I ask is on some routes the apartments make up a quarter to one-third of the routes. Are they paying (making up numbers) $100 for 1,000 address but if they don't want the apartments it's still $100 or $75 dollars for 750 addresses.

And a follow up, If they don't ship to "every door" (as the name EDDM implies) then why are they still WSS versus WSH when a huge chuck of the route is not getting them? My understanding is the reason the rates are lower with EDDM is because you are "saturating" the route(s).

Looking deeper, the issue might be coming from jackpotting, which a lot of people in the office do. Could that be causing it? I know we were all told to not do it and we're trying to fix that.

If you are talking about true EDDM, then there is no address printed on the item and it goes to every delivery on the route selected. I do think they can select to not send to businesses just residential but that's the only real exclusion they can make. Maybe you are thinking about some other sort of mail.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

If you are talking about true EDDM, then there is no address printed on the item and it goes to every delivery on the route selected. I do think they can select to not send to businesses just residential but that's the only real exclusion they can make. Maybe you are thinking about some other sort of mail.

OK maybe I'm wrong then.

I'm talking about generic "current resident" WSS bulk mailings with an address. No resident names. (i.e. John Doe, Jane Doe). For example a new local restaurant opens up, coupons books, gyms and things of that nature.

For some reason apartments are not included in those at all it seems. They used to be then it stopped across the board around the same time. It's really strange that they all started doing it. It would make sense if one or two did it but not all of them.

 

[PapahSmurf]

Same as areas of routes get no parcels at all, then other areas get a parcel with at least 3 stops in a row in multiple areas.

They are testing crap.

I am not convinced our time standards are going to stay the way they are. We get 12 seconds to serve a box every day. I am literally there for no more than 3 for most boxes.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

Same as areas of routes get no parcels at all, then other areas get a parcel with at least 3 stops in a row in multiple areas.

They are testing crap.

I am not convinced our time standards are going to stay the way they are. We get 12 seconds to serve a box every day. I am literally there for no more than 3 for most boxes.

Yeah it seems more like an executive decision internally versus the shippers. I'm actually trying to reach out to one of the big mailers to see what they say.

 

[oi veh.]

Yeah it seems more like an executive decision internally versus the shippers. I'm actually trying to reach out to one of the big mailers to see what they say.

you might want to put in a call to national as well.

 

[Deer Smearer]

WSS is 90+% coverage to qualify for the pricing.

For the carrier, WSS credits 100% towards coverage factor and 100% piece count for active addresses.

If you get a WSS that you enter in the scanner, and there is less than one per active address, you are actually benefiting by having less to deliver than what you are credited.

 

[Rural-life-0323]

WSS is 90+% coverage to qualify for the pricing.

For the carrier, WSS credits 100% towards coverage factor and 100% piece count for active addresses.

If you get a WSS that you enter in the scanner, and there is less than one per active address, you are actually benefiting by having less to deliver than what you are credited.

Yeah good for the rural carrier, no doubt, but by the letter of the policy it makes no sense.

EDIT: Oh and it is also screwing over USPS (and in turn carriers) since they should be paying a higher rate.