If RRECS goes poorly will there be a political/external response to it?

[Carrierguy]

A lot of talk has been had about the potential of RRECS to lower route evaluations. This affects us most directly because we’re obviously paid based off this. But I’ve started to wonder what other knock on effects will it create IF evaluations do decrease.

Say for example. Route evaluations decrease, this leads to RCA’s making less and potentially looking for other employment. Decreasing the amount of workers available going into the holiday season. This puts extra strain on regulars who also just received a pay cut, going into Thanksgiving & Christmas. These disgruntled regulars will then not want to help/train any new RCA’s and may even discourage the job. None of which bodes well for the holiday season which is probably the time during which the USPS is under the most scrutiny.

Also from a political aspect, while many think(and maybe correctly) that government employees make too much, I doubt that sentiment applies to the local mailman. Certainly hearing that your mailman has received a pay cut just after the package craze of Covid looks bad. We would’ve gone from valued “essential workers” to the worker who just lost pay during a period of high inflation.

 

[neciat]

Oh, the domino effect would be Nationwide. Considering that Postal employees are , generally speaking, some of the higher income earners in their communities. In many areas , they actually are the highest earners in their communities. Okay, with a severe decrease in income comes a severe decrease in spending in their local area shops, stores, restaurants, malls, etc. THAT has a direct impact on the local economy. When this occurs Nationwide, the effects are devastating. There are enough rural craft employees Nationwide to make an impact on the financial status of the economy. That nice long traveling vacation with the family now becomes a staycation. That's more money NOT SPENT somewhere in this country. Then, there is the very real possibility of the mass exodus. That would backlog mail to unprecedented heights NOT seen since the Wildcat Strike. When the public isn't getting their diapers and dog food , that will bring attention to our plight.

 

[Edge]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

 

[mail1000]

Oh, the domino effect would be Nationwide. Considering that Postal employees are , generally speaking, some of the higher income earners in their communities. In many areas , they actually are the highest earners in their communities. Okay, with a severe decrease in income comes a severe decrease in spending in their local area shops, stores, restaurants, malls, etc. THAT has a direct impact on the local economy. When this occurs Nationwide, the effects are devastating. There are enough rural craft employees Nationwide to make an impact on the financial status of the economy. That nice long traveling vacation with the family now becomes a staycation. That's more money NOT SPENT somewhere in this country. Then, there is the very real possibility of the mass exodus. That would backlog mail to unprecedented heights NOT seen since the Wildcat Strike. When the public isn't getting their diapers and dog food , that will bring attention to our plight.

100%!!!

 

[RR5]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

But at what point do they finally figure this out? 4 or 5 years later? After the damage has been done to thousands of carriers. Anyone with any common sense knows this type of pay system is complicated, no accountability with the numbers, and filled with many flaws. Even now the majority of carriers know squatt about rrecs except to do the 6 required scans. To be put in the position to we just have to trust the usps with the data with no validation is ludicrous. Subs don't do the scans, tough! 86ppm, no problem. Your route drops dramatically, oh well! Association finally admitted concerns with rrecs on 5/4 and asked for postponement. What took you so fricking long. It's a little too late now. But not a peep since then. All for show so they can say they tried to stop it. Clown show.

 

[Defiant]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

We shall see soon. I have a foot in your camp. If USPS thinks for one second RRECS leads to a rural craft exodus, there is NO way they will use RRECS. There is nobody else to deliver the mail.

 

[ABCya]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

We are all just one big experiment, without our consent.

 

[sodone]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

I have never wanted anyone to be right more in my life than you right here.

 

[sodone]

If USPS thinks for one second RRECS leads to a rural craft exodus, there is NO way they will use RRECS. There is nobody else to deliver the mail.

I hope you're right, but 20 years in the PO has made me a cynical, faithless person as far as my feelings go for the USPS brass. I just don't know if they're capable of that kind of 3rd dimensional thinking.

 

[GApeach]

A lot of talk has been had about the potential of RRECS to lower route evaluations. This affects us most directly because we’re obviously paid based off this. But I’ve started to wonder what other knock on effects will it create IF evaluations do decrease.

Say for example. Route evaluations decrease, this leads to RCA’s making less and potentially looking for other employment. Decreasing the amount of workers available going into the holiday season. This puts extra strain on regulars who also just received a pay cut, going into Thanksgiving & Christmas. These disgruntled regulars will then not want to help/train any new RCA’s and may even discourage the job. None of which bodes well for the holiday season which is probably the time during which the USPS is under the most scrutiny.

Also from a political aspect, while many think(and maybe correctly) that government employees make too much, I doubt that sentiment applies to the local mailman. Certainly hearing that your mailman has received a pay cut just after the package craze of Covid looks bad. We would’ve gone from valued “essential workers” to the worker who just lost pay during a period of high inflation.

I don't know your office, but I expect two thirds of my carriers to gain, like, a lot. They are carrying way more packages than their last count, and while flats and letters are down, their miles are above evaluated. Like 10% above, minimum. Thanks to AVUS I get a look at the eval miles and the actual miles, and they are running over every single day. I don't know if they'll bust, but it might be close.

 

[Gotrope]

I don't know your office, but I expect two thirds of my carriers to gain, like, a lot. They are carrying way more packages than their last count, and while flats and letters are down, their miles are above evaluated. Like 10% above, minimum. Thanks to AVUS I get a look at the eval miles and the actual miles, and they are running over every single day. I don't know if they'll bust, but it might be close.

Mapped Mike's are the only ones that count outside parcel delivery.

 

[hunchback]

A lot of talk has been had about the potential of RRECS to lower route evaluations. This affects us most directly because we’re obviously paid based off this. But I’ve started to wonder what other knock on effects will it create IF evaluations do decrease.

Say for example. Route evaluations decrease, this leads to RCA’s making less and potentially looking for other employment. Decreasing the amount of workers available going into the holiday season. This puts extra strain on regulars who also just received a pay cut, going into Thanksgiving & Christmas. These disgruntled regulars will then not want to help/train any new RCA’s and may even discourage the job. None of which bodes well for the holiday season which is probably the time during which the USPS is under the most scrutiny.

I wonder if the post office views reform the way some Vietnam Era Officers viewed their mission...
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.”
or
"We had to burn down the village... to save the village"

 

[She mails rural]

I think just the opposite im not great with math but common sense tells me yes we deliver more parcels at a lower time standard so for me to get the same credits as before I have to do 3 times the parcels which takes longer to break even. Oh they claim, well its a 52 week average ( I despise that word AVERAGE) and you get driving matrix as well. Omg so what! you lowered all standard and on top of that it's a average of the lower standards . Flat credit is the most but they've dried up, go figure . I'm thinking if we can get enough parcels to make everyday a 12 hour day or more everyday for 52 weeks every year then we should only loose a little or if lucky stay the same. If I had to guess they are wanting us to move out so they can privatize, get contract carriers everywhere. I believe this is why the union doesn't push for us, they know what the ultimate goal is. I pray I'm wrong, pray with me please.

 

[Surf]

don't know your office, but I expect two thirds of my carriers to gain, like, a lot.

In our 3 route office, I expect the same. I'm delivering 3x my normal amount of pkgs on some days, and we don't get that much AMZN. I used to get one boxholder every 2 months, I've had 6 in the last 2 weeks. My letters have doubled on Tues/Wed (pretty much the same as it's been each of the other days). My problem is, I'm already a 47K, I'm going to get killed....in the wrong way........this count. I've been doing everything I can do on my own, to try and bring my #'s down. Not a problem I see anyone else having on here. But, I have been told I WILL be cut if I stay a 47 or above, and I beat my eval (as does my sub).......by a lot!

 

[MNRuralRoute4]

It's going to hit the fan when people see the cut coming to their routes. I am in an amazon office and I can't imagine what it will do to those that aren't. How many will just walk out the door and find other employment rather than take the pay cut for doing the same job they have been doing for years? There are already routes not being delivered do to lack of staff, this will only make it worse.

 

[Carrierguy]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

Yeah I’m onboard with this. I mean RRECS has taken how long? 10 years? To be made?

Now that we’re less than 2 months away, RRECS gives me feelings of a failed project. Like a science fair project that you’ve been working on but the project is due in 2 days and you start to realize it’s overly complicated and there’s no way it can be completed.

I think the USPS probably thought it would be a great money saver but slowly realized there’s waaay to many moving parts.

 

[Carrierguy]

It's going to hit the fan when people see the cut coming to their routes. I am in an amazon office and I can't imagine what it will do to those that aren't. How many will just walk out the door and find other employment rather than take the pay cut for doing the same job they have been doing for years? There are already routes not being delivered do to lack of staff, this will only make it worse.

Yup and I think the lack of staffing which is an aspect the public can see that will hurt RRECS. I’m sure some routes/offices in high income, package heavy areas will increase with it. But for the more rural routes I don’t see how it can go up. We have contractor routes nearby with POVs and they drive down long dirt roads at a mph that’s gotta be lower than the drive matrix speed, because afaik the drive matrix doesn’t factor in if you are driving on tarmac or dirt.

Those routes with POVs already seem irritated due to the increased cost of gas/vehicles which afaik they aren’t compensated for. So you have them already irritated and then lower their pay and what happens? They quit. This means rural areas don’t get their mail/packages which cause those people to reach out to their local government and then the news gets involved and then there’s another front page news story about how the USPS is unable to service the country folk their medicine. The USPS can only survive so many of those news stories before heads start rolling up top.

 

[FXDL2003]

I still feel like they are moving forward with rrecs like everything is normal, with the full knowledge it’s not gonna be operationally feasible to actually implement it for bucketloads of reasons.

But they have to say they tried because of the arbitration. I think the union is in on the deal as well.

While I agree that this is very likely what is happening. My concern is that since all the previous mail count language was removed from the contract, that only leaves 2 options. Reinstate that mail count provisions with updated time standards that have to be negotiated by Ronnie and crew, probably loosely based on the engineered study. Or just go hourly. I don't trust current union leadership to negotiate any better standards than the pile of outdated garbage that we used to have, probably be much worse other that I think the drive speed matrix would be kept as is.

 

[Carrierguy]

I think RRECS may have worked(still controversially) if 2020 hadn’t happened. Without 2020, I think the average carrier would’ve still lost out on some pay but perhaps not by enough to get them to leave.

Now, however, we’ve got people pulling back on ordering and spending due to inflation. This means that sweet package volume RRECS relied on is dying down.

This means lower evaluations. With these lower evaluations. Will this push the senior carriers to retire with no one to replace them. What will happen to RCA’s when they get smaller paychecks due to decreased route evaluations. Will they continue to stay at the PO or will they take equal or greater pay at other jobs. What will happen when that J or K route loses a relief day and all of a sudden that RCA loses out on a day of work.

I mean how many offices can even handle a 10% decline in the workforce due to retirement or losing an RCA. I know my office can’t. If I even call out tomorrow my office is screwed.

 

[Voglio-il mio]

I don't know your office, but I expect two thirds of my carriers to gain, like, a lot. They are carrying way more packages than their last count, and while flats and letters are down, their miles are above evaluated. Like 10% above, minimum. Thanks to AVUS I get a look at the eval miles and the actual miles, and they are running over every single day. I don't know if they'll bust, but it might be close.

I see my offices spread at about;

40% gain a lot
40% stay the same or gain a little
20% Stay the same or loose a Little

And most of this is self inflicted as a result of not following RRECS guidelines.
The big gainers are following the guidelines and are well informed about RRECS (self trained).