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Risen145

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So, I bid and transferred to another route in the office in the middle of mail count (and due to 2240 issues, not 2080, i had to take off for half of it with annual leave.) Well, all the numbers looked appropriate since the last mail count, except for the fact that the 46k I left, dropped to a 42k, and the 42J that I was awarded, I activated 70+ addresses, and it now has 600 addresses active exactly (176 curb, 424 NBU, 23.5 miles) with a volume factor that dropped from 3.22 to 2.02 and my evaluation didn't change. This pisses me off and makes no sense. 2nd trip every day for parcels and while flats have fallen off, we still average between presort and tubs our average 120-200+ flats. DPS drifts between 700-1700 daily. Parcels average 110-200. What gets me is while I don't know what I am doing by any means, I have neighbors with similar routes, curb and Nbu amounts, same or LESS mail, flats, and especially same or LESS parcels, and they remain at 44k, 45k, and the route I just left as a 46k (it literally is 20% curb 80% nbu, 2.62 old volume factor, idk what it is now but it dropped to a 42k and has only 634 addresses) and the milage is 28.5 vs my 23.5 on the new route.

What am I missing? Did standards change? Ive seen less crap during my 2 previous mail counts and we stayed at 44k/ went up! WTF IS HAPPENING!

Apologies, I am just at a loss. Filing a grievance tomorrow morning and I don't even know how to word the **** thing. I know its bs, I just don't know how.

Edit: Our office counter who handles it all is a city carrier, and she showed me the interface where the #'s went in and how they change. She showed me that if she added / activated 200 more nbu boxes (I have 316 unactivated apartments that will move in later) the route went from 45.54 to 49.54.

Now, correct me if im wrong, but that nifty sheet we have that says "Factor needed to change 1 hour on route" states that even at the LOWEST settings, a volume factor of 1.0, box factor 1.0, L route, TC at 2.0, its 30 addresses nbu to get 1 hour. That should mean 200 addresses is just short of a 7 hour change, 7x30=210. Right? AM I NUTS or is there more to this insanity?

Love everyone for what they do btw. Been with the P.O. 5 years in Jan, regular for 3. Busy college town with 38 rural routes and 35 city.
 
Did you have a pov and change to a government vehicle? Only two routes in my office counted but seven routes total got the new government vehicles and some of them lost a couple of hours just for the change in the way the dps gets counted, I know one went from a 44k to a 42k and he didn't count.
Even if you weren't there when the count went on you could still have gotten the numbers from the carrier running it and checked for mistakes by putting in the numbers yourself at home or just checked manually although it may be to late now, I did it daily anytime I counted. Used Frozen toes input count sheets...always found mistakes too...
 
If you wrote "threatened to cut my route" like I did on your leave slip. Then in theory, it will be converted to admin leave. I'm testing this theory after I'm done with my month forced vacation.
 
Flats are the 3rd or 4th largest time allowance for an evaluation after boxes, miles and parcels. You're averaging 120-200+ per day seems very low to me and a huge loss in time. Don't you get advos or grocery store sale circulars? What about newspapers or any other full coverage circs? When my route was counted in 2016 it was averaging about 650 per day. Flats at 120 - 200 per day seems very low.
 

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The way I understood your post was that even routes that did not count went down because of the Govt. vehicle. If I am understanding your post correctly, then the routes that DID NOT count but WENT DOWN because of the Govt. vehicle is NOT CORRECT. Routes do not just go down because a Govt. vehicle was assigned to it. The route has to be counted. Now, the route WILL GO UP the 30 minute base hour change for the time allowance for the Govt. vehicle but WILL NOT go down unless the route(s) was/were counted. Also, the Govt. vehicle must have been assigned to the route a certain amount of time BEFORE it was counted. Two weeks , I think but am not sure. If routes in your office went down because of a Govt. vehicle and did not count, get your steward on that ASAP.
 
Charlie Brown said:
Flats are the 3rd or 4th largest time allowance for an evaluation after boxes, miles and parcels. You're averaging 120-200+ per day seems very low to me and a huge loss in time. Don't you get advos or grocery store sale circulars? What about newspapers or any other full coverage circs? When my route was counted in 2016 it was averaging about 650 per day. Flats at 120 - 200 per day seems very low.
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During the count, those are considered box holders and they count them as such. Super savers are full coverage, and at the time 596 addresses were credited both weeks. I also got advos on the 2nd week for the first credit, and blue Baker eddm on week 1, all values of 596. They dont add them to the flat count.
 
Windindaface said:
A question I ask. Was this City carrier trained on how to count Rural Routes?

They might know their craft. But experience has proved they are clueless to our craft.
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We assume she has. Shes a dinosaur of the office and has been doing it supposedly for over 10 years.
 
Risen145 said:
During the count, those are considered box holders and they count them as such. Super savers are full coverage, and at the time 596 addresses were credited both weeks. I also got advos on the 2nd week for the first credit, and blue Baker eddm on week 1, all values of 596. They dont add them to the flat count.
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if they have addresses, they are letters or flats depending on size or address orientation....
 
Risen145 said:
So what's the difference in credit then? 2 weeks of super savers, 1 of advos and 1 of bluebaker all counted as boxholders, not flats. 3 are clearly flats
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For 3 out of the 4 being addressed flats instead of boxholder, the difference I get is 33 1/2 minutes thereabout.
 
Risen145 said:
So, I bid and transferred to another route in the office in the middle of mail count (and due to 2240 issues, not 2080, i had to take off for half of it with annual leave.) Well, all the numbers looked appropriate since the last mail count, except for the fact that the 46k I left, dropped to a 42k, and the 42J that I was awarded, I activated 70+ addresses, and it now has 600 addresses active exactly (176 curb, 424 NBU, 23.5 miles) with a volume factor that dropped from 3.22 to 2.02 and my evaluation didn't change. This pisses me off and makes no sense. 2nd trip every day for parcels and while flats have fallen off, we still average between presort and tubs our average 120-200+ flats. DPS drifts between 700-1700 daily. Parcels average 110-200. What gets me is while I don't know what I am doing by any means, I have neighbors with similar routes, curb and Nbu amounts, same or LESS mail, flats, and especially same or LESS parcels, and they remain at 44k, 45k, and the route I just left as a 46k (it literally is 20% curb 80% nbu, 2.62 old volume factor, idk what it is now but it dropped to a 42k and has only 634 addresses) and the milage is 28.5 vs my 23.5 on the new route.

What am I missing? Did standards change? Ive seen less crap during my 2 previous mail counts and we stayed at 44k/ went up! WTF IS HAPPENING!

Apologies, I am just at a loss. Filing a grievance tomorrow morning and I don't even know how to word the **** thing. I know its bs, I just don't know how.

Edit: Our office counter who handles it all is a city carrier, and she showed me the interface where the #'s went in and how they change. She showed me that if she added / activated 200 more nbu boxes (I have 316 unactivated apartments that will move in later) the route went from 45.54 to 49.54.

Now, correct me if im wrong, but that nifty sheet we have that says "Factor needed to change 1 hour on route" states that even at the LOWEST settings, a volume factor of 1.0, box factor 1.0, L route, TC at 2.0, its 30 addresses nbu to get 1 hour. That should mean 200 addresses is just short of a 7 hour change, 7x30=210. Right? AM I NUTS or is there more to this insanity?

Love everyone for what they do btw. Been with the P.O. 5 years in Jan, regular for 3. Busy college town with 38 rural routes and 35 city.
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Are you sure a supervisor updated your 4003 when you activated those addresses? Check your 4240 against your first page of your edit book. There's no way opening 70 boxes doesn't change your pay.
 
When did you open all your new boxes...right before, during or after count.
Opening right before or during is going to lower your count quite a bit.
 
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