gerl2
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LOL not at all, this is why I choose to spend more time away from the PO for mental reasons. I have a few years left and would like to keep my mind and body in tack. ?
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LOL not at all, this is why I choose to spend more time away from the PO for mental reasons. I have a few years left and would like to keep my mind and body in tack. ?
gerl2
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Thank you much better than what I was trying to say, I was wrong on the R. No wonder everyone gets so confused on this LOL. I was implying for those who don't want to be at the office any more than I do. I have been on the overtime list but getting fed up with all the work and no play. Before it was heck, yeah Ill come in for overtime, it was rarely given. shortages are everywhere and I just look at DACA 3 as a ticket to those days off I missed. Weather my PM enjoys a vacation from me as much as I enjoy a vacation from her. It has been working for me or maybe she doesn't understand the complexity of all the DACA's.
EthelAnne
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I'm curious---I came to the USPS after the RDWL agreement---what happened before when a carrier was forced in on their relief day? Or did it not happen before?
Not sure if it's the worst decision the NRLCA ever made (I'm thinking this engineering study fiasco beats this one by miles and miles), just think it was probably naive to believe the USPS would not willingly pay the OT. Local management would always rather pay OT than do the hard work (and it is hard work) of getting an RCA. Does it make financial sense? It might. Training new employees on this job is very expensive, there is a significant learning curve for most new hires (IMO because the training program is largely ineffective), and a good percentage wash out of the job, so all that money is wasted and the whole process starts over again. In the face of these facts, paying OT probably makes sense.
Not sure if it's the worst decision the NRLCA ever made (I'm thinking this engineering study fiasco beats this one by miles and miles), just think it was probably naive to believe the USPS would not willingly pay the OT. Local management would always rather pay OT than do the hard work (and it is hard work) of getting an RCA. Does it make financial sense? It might. Training new employees on this job is very expensive, there is a significant learning curve for most new hires (IMO because the training program is largely ineffective), and a good percentage wash out of the job, so all that money is wasted and the whole process starts over again. In the face of these facts, paying OT probably makes sense.
Skierstmoritz
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Magoo- 6 route office, one Sub. We work our relief days a lot! Rare? Not! nrlca leaders need to carry their routes a month per year to keep in touch with the masses!
DB.Cooper
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Denying leave to old-timers and working them to death may figure in to the calculation as well... get rid of those old Table 1 Step 12 peeps and then they can save lots of $$$ money with the new cheap labor...
Btw, totally agree the "study" will end up being a HUGE fiasco for rural carriers... devastating is my prediction... it's gonna make the Wells decision and 2012 contracts look like a nice day in the park...
Management does not have do give you 90 days to use an X day. It is contractually supposed to be immediately scheduled.
And the mail volume then was a lot worse than it is now. On the days after holidays, and as a sub I had to work them all, it was usual to work 12 to 15 hours a day. And had about 10 times the amount of flats and letters that I have now. Packages were not as heavy, but sorting all that mail took forever since it was all raw mail---no DPS! Even with the good pay, I still considered quitting a bunch of times. I don't know why anyone would want to do the RCA job nowadays. There are many jobs out there that pay as good without all the stress and the vehicle expense.
DB.Cooper
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Exactly... you could have a Monday relief day that you have to work with a DACA 3, and you could be scheduled off the very next day for your X Day... and that's what it says in the contract... if you're getting a better deal than that, then good on you...
Ok here is what happenned. (others will argue but it was because they did not know the contract, like it appears some don't now)
1.) If a regular was needed to work the Regular could work and would get only an X Day no additional pay (Harmonias work Together office scenario)
2.) Regular could refuse to work, A direct order to work was given, Regular worked, Grieved it and Won WITH CEASE AND DESIST ORDER INCLUDED so as long as That postmaster, supervisor or OIC and that carrier worked together the order would never be given again to that carrier, and a sub shortage would result in Management running that route.
3.) If a new Postmaster was installed, repeat #2 ( ONLY ONCE)
And yes I saw it Done Exactly that way
The trade off was the extra pay option 150% for code5, 50% pay plus XDay for code 3. But we were sold the snake oil that this would be Rare because the USPS doesn't like to pay overtime. If Management still had to deliver Rural Routes when substitutes were unavailable we would never have had the multi table pay scale that resulted in the RCA shortage IMHO
Moral of the story = when we give something up in negotiations, we generally give up FAR MORE than we get back in return. It is best to take a longer view then just the immediate short term gain
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Back in the day when you got called in, you just got an X day. It was a treat for me to get OT for being called in after all the years of just getting an X day. When the phone rang on Saturday morning, it was like the sound of a cash register.
FrozenToes
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I remember the Union meeting I was at. Don't remember the speaker. The speaker warned us of the dangers of the RDWL.
DB.Cooper
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Ca-CHING!!! $$$$ ?
I did DACA 5's for over a year solid... some Saturday's I felt *ALMOST* guilty... on a light mail day, I might be done before 1 PM... and at almost $450 clams a day... well, let's just say that worked out to a pretty nice little hourly rate... ?
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No offense my friend but you sort of prove my first point.
You let them call you in ON your relief day?
You never knew you could grieve them forcing you to work your relief day?
No wonder so many thought the USPS was doing this out of the kindness of their heart.
A prophet of the impending doom we now live with.
Yeah try doing that in your 60's carrying Amazon refridgerators and baby cribs on your back, 6 days a week 52 weeks a year with stupervisors screaming at you for 2080/2240 problems they create.
What was it Amazon Delivery Boy said? Oh yeah "I JUST WANT TO DIE IN MY SLEEP"
DB.Cooper
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I won't start the whole 2080/2240 debate again... but it does point to how there IS incentives built in to the *SYSTEM* for folks to minimize their actual work time "on paper".... again, just sayin'... $450 clams a day... what's that work out to in real dollars, Dave???
gerl2
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I won't start the whole 2080/2240 debate again... but it does point to how there IS incentives built in to the *SYSTEM* for folks to minimize their actual work time "on paper".... again, just sayin'... $450 clams a day... what's that work out to in real dollars, Dave???
It may be wise not to throw the big numbers out, have some consideration for those that are on table 2 are becoming increasing numbers. That is why I use low ball numbers, too much jealousy and management would love to replace you with a step 2 to secure their future bonus's just saying.
This was back in the late 80's. We asked if we were required to be "on call" and the PM said yes. The shop steward had a sub and so did some of the other older carriers so it didn't affect them. The steward said to do what we were told. Access to info like what is available here would have been a great help. When the RDWL became available, I signed up and then it was my choice to come in on my day off.
