My numbers are in

[magnolia72]

Thanks to the implementation of DPS and this special count, I have officially went from a 46K to a 40K. Another route in the office who gets half of the mail and packages that I get, went from a 44K to a 42K. I have gone over my count sheets and only found 1 mistake but it's not enough to do any good.

 

[neciat]

On October 12th, which is the day the new numbers take effect, you hand in a DPS quantity review form. That will "learn' em."

 

[Guin]

Thanks to the implementation of DPS and this special count, I have officially went from a 46K to a 40K. Another route in the office who gets half of the mail and packages that I get, went from a 44K to a 42K. I have gone over my count sheets and only found 1 mistake but it's not enough to do any good.

I didnt take quite as big of a hit as you, I'm going from a 44k to a 42k but I do feel your pain, as someone who was just starting to get back on my feet financially due to personal reasons.
I've found a few missing numbers from my paperwork. And I'm waiting for a response from district as to whether they will allocate me time for unloading in the PM but I am not optimistic that it will change my times much. I got slaughtered with the lack of mail volume.

 

[hockey94]

Thanks to the implementation of DPS and this special count, I have officially went from a 46K to a 40K. Another route in the office who gets half of the mail and packages that I get, went from a 44K to a 42K. I have gone over my count sheets and only found 1 mistake but it's not enough to do any good.

I guess you do not have an aux route to take territory from due to your loss of time because of DPS ?

 

[btdtret]

magnolia72 and Guin -- "My numbers are in."

-- Did either of you lose mileage when a scanner was used to measure your route? Ask for a remeasurement.

-- Did you both get a Safety Stand-up during both weeks of count? If not ask for the NRLCA "suggested" 5 minutes per week. See page 27 of the 2018 MCG: Weekly safety talks MUST be conducted. The actual time required ( usually 5 minutes per week )......

-- Did you both have daily ( yeah, right! ) or weekly stand-up service talks in addition to safety talks ( actual time ). Did you have them weekly - but none during count? If so, you can cite the passage on page 13 of the MCG: It is unacceptable for either management or rural carriers to take actions that affect the integrity of the mail count. ( again, yeah - right ! ) Could be a reason for not signing off on the count numbers as being correct.

-- Were Safety and Stand-up talks conducted for those persons not working on the day they were held? Unfortunately the NRLCA cuts the USPS some slack on it.

-- "magnolia72" just got DPS implemented- how long ago? "Guin" - how about you?

-- Get a hold of Step 4 ( D-18 ) which spells out the rebuilding of routes ( adversely ) affected by the implementation of DPS. It calls for the transferring of territory from other routes in the same 5-digit zone and the same office to equal the DPS letter mail impact of the 43K classification.

-- Of course, a lot depends if the office as sufficient routes to gain territory from. Get your Assistant District Representative involved.

-- Search for "rebuild" in the KNOWLEDGEBASE Section. It mentions D-18 has expired, but I didn't see any reference regarding an expiration date in the wording. How can it expire if offices are just getting DPS?

-- In any case, maybe manglement doesn't know!

 

[magnolia72]

We got DPS either July or early August. We're a small office and there isn't an auxiliary route to pull from. We had stand up talks and were given acurate times for each. Our routes were also given time for repeating the stand ups to the subs. I have called the ADR, waiting for a call back. My head is about to explode and I'm seriously considering another career path. I just lost $10k a year! The longer I work for the PO, the less I make. I've added to my TSP, well that's a mistake. I can not continue to work for a company who puts my worth lower than a snail's butt.

 

[nickiegirl62]

Numbers are in. We got DPS in April. I went from 45J to 44H other carrier went from 46K to 46J. Not happy but not near as bad as we feared. Had awesome counters more than fair. Had NO flats the entire time. No Aux to rebuild from. Good luck to everyone!

 

[magnolia72]

That was not the case in our office. Our mail was pretty consistent, our flats and letters were good and packages too. I had a decent feeling about this count. Should have known better. The PO has to make up for all the "raises" most people just got.

 

[DB.Cooper]

We got DPS either July or early August. We're a small office and there isn't an auxiliary route to pull from. We had stand up talks and were given acurate times for each. Our routes were also given time for repeating the stand ups to the subs. I have called the ADR, waiting for a call back. My head is about to explode and I'm seriously considering another career path. I just lost $10k a year! The longer I work for the PO, the less I make. I've added to my TSP, well that's a mistake. I can not continue to work for a company who puts my worth lower than a snail's butt.

If you opt for the high option... you'd be a 44J.... at least it would soften the financial blow.... but, it still blows....

 

[Guin]

@btdtret we've had dps in my office since before I started working there. I'm SOL from all the things you've listed. Guess my stuporvisor was through this round. Although this one admittedly has a lot more brains then my last one lol. We also dont have any aux routes in my office.

Any other suggestions you may have are welcome.

 

[magnolia72]

If you opt for the high option... you'd be a 44J.... at least it would soften the financial blow.... but, it still blows....

I don’t have enough years to opt for anything, high or low.

 

[btdtret]

nickiegirl62 et al -- "Had NO flats the entire time."

-- Literally or actually?

-- THAT needs to be addressed - ASAP!! Get your ADR involved.

-- Have the ADR ask District "What happened to the flats?"

-- How were flats before and after count?

-- Make it part of your reason(s) for not agreeing with the count numbers.

 

[nickiegirl62]

nickiegirl62 et al -- "Had NO flats the entire time."

-- Literally or actually?

-- THAT needs to be addressed - ASAP!! Get your ADR involved.

-- Have the ADR ask District "What happened to the flats?"

-- How were flats before and after count?

-- Make it part of your reason(s) for not agreeing with the count numbers.

we had 38 flats 42 flats ect down several hundred a day, We called union rep asked her to check the plant was told nobody else is complaining; we dont go to plant unless national count. Was also told they cant manipulate when only a few routes are counting....um ok of course coffin was full today. Going over all the numbers and paper work look at all options.!

 

[Guin]

nickiegirl62 et al -- "Had NO flats the entire time."

-- Literally or actually?

-- THAT needs to be addressed - ASAP!! Get your ADR involved.

-- Have the ADR ask District "What happened to the flats?"

-- How were flats before and after count?

-- Make it part of your reason(s) for not agreeing with the count numbers.

My FSS was very low entire count, also I did not get a SINGLE boxholder the entire count! The other zip codes in my office got at least 2 a week but I noticed my zip got nothing entire count.

 

[magnolia72]

I spoke with the ADR today and she only said to keep going over my numbers. I don't see how that will change the numbers. She's not interested in getting involved. This morning, I ask the PM about going over the numbers from last count to compare, this afternoon when I got back, he didn't have time, emails you know!

This is a freaking joke to them. They set up this mail count, move the goal posts and expect us to be ecstatic over the results?

 

[btdtret]

nickiegirl62 et al - "Was also told they can't manipulate when only a few routes are counting....um ok.."

-- Just depends on your interpretation of "manipulate"!

-- Apparently the comments about "pristine DPS" or "low or no flats or boxholders" is just rural carrier imaginenations working overtime.

-- At least those who counted now have a new set of numbers to rely on. So when manglement begins to ask "Why you are taking so long on the route?", just dig out the PS Form 4241 ( Rural Delivery Statistics Report ), so you can say: "Well, let's just check what the route got for parcels at the last count. See -- it was only an average of xx number of parcels and today, the route has gotten 3 to 4 times as many. You do the math!"

-- Might as well toss in: "By the way, have you noticed the quality of DPS has gone from "pristine" to "piss-poor" ( or words to that effect ) since count ended? Any idea what may have happened at the plant?"

-- "Try to remember it takes time to turn over all those inverted mail pieces as well making extra trips to the 3M case for the missorts that seem to have increased since count ended - but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?" ( now go bother someone else! )

 

[Gotrope]

There is a calculator on the ruralinfo site to find out what the time impact a DPS review would have in your route. If you have DPS now it would convert to sector segment. If you have sector segment now it reverts to random. If you are a 40k, it is doubtful you would go into overburdened status by DPS review. And it would trigger you to count the last two weeks of 9/20. You know, when all the political mail hits for the congressional and presidential election...
Most routes get a 5-7 hour bump through a DPS review failing.

 

[Haychica]

Thanks to the implementation of DPS and this special count, I have officially went from a 46K to a 40K. Another route in the office who gets half of the mail and packages that I get, went from a 44K to a 42K. I have gone over my count sheets and only found 1 mistake but it's not enough to do any good.

I'm so sorry..that is a huge financial burden...??

 

[Haychica]

I spoke with the ADR today and she only said to keep going over my numbers. I don't see how that will change the numbers. She's not interested in getting involved. This morning, I ask the PM about going over the numbers from last count to compare, this afternoon when I got back, he didn't have time, emails you know!

This is a freaking joke to them. They set up this mail count, move the goal posts and expect us to be ecstatic over the results?

Our last adr ended up losing his home bc of fss..and ultimately his marriage..this is a joke to them...and this RRECS b.s. is worse

 

[stillfirstclass]

I spoke to Susan Knapp in person a few years ago, she admitted they know they're cheating, but nothing can be done.

many documented "instances",, was told the employer has the right to control costs.. that is why district wants mailcount info daily or supe is on naughty list... when my count does well the first week, no worries it will be fixed... i like no mail the first week, then my count usually fairs well (don't lose)