Order of consideration for OT

[neverringtwice]

Does anyone know what the order of consideration should be for rural regulars working overtime on routes other than their own. In my office it is a free for all. We have city carriers getting offered rural OT before rural regs that signed the the overtime list.

 

[Deer Smearer]

No guarantee or entitlement to work other assignments.

 

[neverringtwice]

So the first brown nose in the door gets it. Does not seem right. I realize these are unprecedented situations we are dealing with but some sort of protocol needs to be established imo.

 

[She mails rural]

Of course not. why would there be anything for our craft, no not our craft the rural craft of the usps. Sorry my bad!

 

[gotstamps]

Does anyone know what the order of consideration should be for rural regulars working overtime on routes other than their own. In my office it is a free for all. We have city carriers getting offered rural OT before rural regs that signed the the overtime list.

City Carriers have ZERO rights to any Rural Craft work! Rural Carriers should be filing grievances on that!

As to the MOU allowing Regular Carriers to assist other Rural routes, There is no “pecking order” for assisting other routes other than a Regular cannot do so on their Relief Day. Only Sundays require a “rotation” by Seniority.

 

[neverringtwice]

City Carriers have ZERO rights to any Rural Craft work! Rural Carriers should be filing grievances on that!

As to the MOU allowing Regular Carriers to assist other Rural routes, There is no “pecking order” for assisting other routes other than a Regular cannot do so on their Relief Day. Only Sundays require a “rotation” by Seniority.

Thank you got stamps. Grievances will be filed asap.

 

[She mails rural]

I don't get why in the freaking heck you have to file a grievance on something like that, what our officials don't have eyes and ears? That should be grabbed right out the gate shouldn't have to file paperwork and wait 3 years to hear nothing back! They can bark no good mous without grievances so why on something that's a definite wrong they can't just handle it? Our own policies are Condictorary to say the least. Nothing makes any common sense! I guess there isn't any choice so file it but by the time a verdict comes down months of our pay went to city side and our union will just say oh well don't do it again

 

[Deer Smearer]

City Carriers have ZERO rights to any Rural Craft work! Rural Carriers should be filing grievances on that!

As to the MOU allowing Regular Carriers to assist other Rural routes, There is no “pecking order” for assisting other routes other than a Regular cannot do so on their Relief Day. Only Sundays require a “rotation” by Seniority.

Well the normal order of consideration says “any other qualified employee” which would include city carriers.

And since the MOU is “allowing” regular rural carriers to assist, without entitlement or guarantee, I doubt the onion would even put up a fight.

The MOU should have guaranteed regular carriers volunteering priority over other crafts. Unfortunately, it doesn’t.

 

[Gotrope]

I don't get why in the freaking heck you have to file a grievance on something like that, what our officials don't have eyes and ears? That should be grabbed right out the gate shouldn't have to file paperwork and wait 3 years to hear nothing back! They can bark no good mous without grievances so why on something that's a definite wrong they can't just handle it? Our own policies are Condictorary to say the least. Nothing makes any common sense! I guess there isn't any choice so file it but by the time a verdict comes down months of our pay went to city side and our union will just say oh well don't do it again

The union hierarchy does not work in your office. Therefore, without being informed by a carrier with knowledge of the situation, they cannot psychically feel a disturbance in the force. Any carriers who have direct knowledge( hearsay is not direct knowledge) of violations of contractual or policy language should report to a steward for that office. Sometimes, because of how our protocols play, a grievance must be filed by a harmed person or the union on behalf of those harmed.
We do not work similar to other private sector unions. It's best to try to work with our available system rather than be antagonistic for something it can never be.
An orange may wish to be a banana but, it will remain an orange. A federal union can never work under private sector union rules.

 

[Twingrlie]

Well the normal order of consideration says “any other qualified employee” which would include city carriers.

And since the MOU is “allowing” regular rural carriers to assist, without entitlement or guarantee, I doubt the onion would even put up a fight.

The MOU should have guaranteed regular carriers volunteering priority over other crafts. Unfortunately, it doesn’t.

What? The Union would get that work easily for the rural carriers. The Order of Consideration states Articles that come from the rural contract, not the city contract. Any qualified employee in the office is referring to rurals. The MOU is for rural carriers to work other routes in the rural craft. There is no way the Union would lose that grievance if it was a city taking those hours.

 

[psd181]

What? The Union would get that work easily for the rural carriers. The Order of Consideration states Articles that come from the rural contract, not the city contract. Any qualified employee in the office is referring to rurals. The MOU is for rural carriers to work other routes in the rural craft. There is no way the Union would lose that grievance if it was a city taking those hours.

any qualified person means exactly that............ anyone................... a retired city carrier might even qualify if management deems them qualified.....................

 

[Twingrlie]

any qualified person means exactly that............ anyone................... a retired city carrier might even qualify if management deems them qualified.....................

Yeah and what if you work in an office with only rurals?

 

[Deer Smearer]

Read over Art 30.D.3
There are two different definitions of "qualified". Art 30. 2.D.1 and 3 are qualified as having training WHILE Art30.D 6 is qualified employee designated by the employer....this #6 subsection isn't listed as the qualifying definition in Art30.D.3

There, this thread successfully gives management a heads up on how the contract screws over rurals but helps the mail get out

30.2.D.6

“In emergencies, when the services of a substitute, rural carrier associate, or rural carrier relief employee are not available, another qualified employee may be designated by the Employer.”

It doesn’t say a regular wanting to volunteer.



I’d be surprised if they even took the grievance to step 2.


To be clear, I wish you were correct. I want you to be correct.

They can’t win an actual time compensation argument for fixing someone else’s screw ups, or a second trip doesn’t come first.

This one has zero chance.

Even if the office has only rurals I’ve seen non rurals sent in from other offices to run routes with regular volunteers available. Union would not do anything.

 

[Deer Smearer]

There is no way the Union would lose that grievance if it was a city taking those hours.

Wow, that’s funny.

I laughed so loud now I have to pee.

 

[Worve]

couple Regs filed on this exact issue when they were off Saturday. Management and one CCAs ran the routes. Still waiting to hear back about it, but my guess is nada. None of the regs will volunteer, but they don’t want city or management running routes . I won’t say jack about management or CCAs running routes 12 hrs and I am done personally.

 

[gotstamps]

couple Regs filed on this exact issue when they were off Saturday. Management and one CCAs ran the routes. Still waiting to hear back about it, but my guess is nada. None of the regs will volunteer, but they don’t want city or management running routes . I won’t say jack about management or CCAs running routes 12 hrs and I am done personally.

A similar situation happened in my office last summer before the MOU. A Regular Carrier on the RDWL was paid for mgmt allowing a CCA to work. This only worked because he filed AND it went to Step 2 since mgmt thought they had the right.

Rural Craft always has the right to ANY Rural work prior to utilizing another Craft employee. A Rural Carrier simply needs to have been available & not asked or allowed by mgmt to do the work. The hardest part would be proving it happened which would rely heavily on Q & A Interviews as no other Craft has a “clockring” of Rural Route.

 

[gotstamps]

What? The Union would get that work easily for the rural carriers. The Order of Consideration states Articles that come from the rural contract, not the city contract. Any qualified employee in the office is referring to rurals..

In the end of the Order… ANY QUALIFIED means any Postal Employee. In an emergency, City, Clerk, or Management can case or run the route. This is ONLY if there is no other option.
ALL avenues of utilizing the Rural Craft comes first INCLUDING… RDWL, asking or requiring other available Relief Day Regulars, and the MOU on assisting other routes.

 

[psd181]

Yeah and what if you work in an office with only rurals?

a retired city carrier from Timbuktu still may qualify. One of the reasons they put this little thing in the contract is to allow managers and others to deliver the mail when no one is available. The USPS writes the contract and we just sign it. They make sure to leave enough wiggle room to avoid payment when they so desire.

 

[Twingrlie]

30.2.D.6

“In emergencies, when the services of a substitute, rural carrier associate, or rural carrier relief employee are not available, another qualified employee may be designated by the Employer.”

It doesn’t say a regular wanting to volunteer.
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I’d be surprised if they even took the grievance to step 2.


To be clear, I wish you were correct. I want you to be correct.

They can’t win an actual time compensation argument for fixing someone else’s screw ups, or a second trip doesn’t come first.

This one has zero chance.

Even if the office has only rurals I’ve seen non rurals sent in from other offices to run routes with regular volunteers available. Union would not do anything.

I have won them money. Rural was there, Rural was assumed to not want OT, City ran it. Rural grieved, rural got paid.

 

[Twingrlie]

In the end of the Order… ANY QUALIFIED means any Postal Employee. In an emergency, City, Clerk, or Management can case or run the route. This is ONLY if there is no other option.
ALL avenues of utilizing the Rural Craft comes first INCLUDING… RDWL, asking or requiring other available Relief Day Regulars, and the MOU on assisting other routes.

Yeah I get that. This person is saying the union couldn’t get that work for rurals if they grieved it which is BS.