Order of consideration for OT

[Twingrlie]

30.2.D.6

“In emergencies, when the services of a substitute, rural carrier associate, or rural carrier relief employee are not available, another qualified employee may be designated by the Employer.”

It doesn’t say a regular wanting to volunteer.
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I’d be surprised if they even took the grievance to step 2.


To be clear, I wish you were correct. I want you to be correct.

They can’t win an actual time compensation argument for fixing someone else’s screw ups, or a second trip doesn’t come first.

This one has zero chance.

Even if the office has only rurals I’ve seen non rurals sent in from other offices to run routes with regular volunteers available. Union would not do anything.

How do you know the Union was even involved? A lot of carriers like to complain other crafts are doing their work and when I ask did you ever volunteer that day? Crickets. I’ve settled a grievance regarding this same issue. They grieved management was running a route when rurals were available to run it. Cease and desist, right off the bat. I didn’t go for compensation because the person grieving it never actually volunteered, they just wanted the work to stay within the craft.

Carriers like to complain a lot but rarely put pen to paper.

 

[Deer Smearer]

How do you know the Union was even involved? A lot of carriers like to complain other crafts are doing their work and when I ask did you ever volunteer that day? Crickets. I’ve settled a grievance regarding this same issue. They grieved management was running a route when rurals were available to run it. Cease and desist, right off the bat. I didn’t go for compensation because the person grieving it never actually volunteered, they just wanted the work to stay within the craft.

Carriers like to complain a lot but rarely put pen to paper.

How do I know? I filed.

Withdrawn, article 3, no entitlement.

 

[Twingrlie]

How do I know? I filed.

Withdrawn, article 3, no entitlement.

Sounds like a question for your Executive Committeeman. To be clear, you’re saying a city carrier ran the route and you volunteered and were told no?

 

[RR5]

Can a regular carrier be denied OT on another route in the office by bringing in a sub from another office?

 

[gotstamps]

Can a regular carrier be denied OT on another route in the office by bringing in a sub from another office?

Yes. It’s part of the new Contract. Article 30.2.D.5

Edit… if you mean OT from assisting another route after completing their own, mgmt is not required to use the MOU to keep subs from work. Regular Carriers who volunteer do not the right to assistance OT except when another “Craft” employee does the work.

 

[Defiant]

What? The Union would get that work easily for the rural carriers. The Order of Consideration states Articles that come from the rural contract, not the city contract. Any qualified employee in the office is referring to rurals. The MOU is for rural carriers to work other routes in the rural craft. There is no way the Union would lose that grievance if it was a city taking those hours.

I think a good Steward wouldn't even have to file a grievance. Demand it on the spot.

 

[She mails rural]

Well the normal order of consideration says “any other qualified employee” which would include city carriers.

And since the MOU is “allowing” regular rural carriers to assist, without entitlement or guarantee, I doubt the onion would even put up a fight.

The MOU should have guaranteed regular carriers volunteering priority over other crafts. Unfortunately, it doesn’t.

The order of consideration is another thing they put together in 5 minutes and says ok new golden rules. As fast as they came off with that crap should be how fast it goes away or changed right. Why are there so many hands in the pot changing things when notwas wrong with the old contracts. They never stop to think how much worse they make it on us. Or maybe that's what they want either way it needs to stop!

 

[psd181]

Does anyone know what the order of consideration should be for rural regulars working overtime on routes other than their own. In my office it is a free for all. We have city carriers getting offered rural OT before rural regs that signed the the overtime list.

we don't have an overtime list

 

[Twingrlie]

I think a good Steward wouldn't even have to file a grievance. Demand it on the spot.

A good steward would file to show a pattern. We can demand until we’re blue in the face. Doesn’t mean they’re going to do anything about it. Keep filing and add escalating charges.

 

[EthelAnne]

Am I entitled to a 7th day of work....by the MOU, no, they don't have to use me and could bring in any other qualifying employee.

There is a lot of lee-way given to management to avoid paying OT (per Article 3), so I could see--in my district at least, but I know other districts might rule otherwise-- a grievance lost when management decides to use a CCA to deliver a rural route if the only other option is to pay a rural carrier OT. Management would have to show that it is cheaper/more efficient to use the CCA. However, if everything else is equal (the carriers are both efficient or both stink, OT will or won't be paid to either), then I think the grievance would be won in the rural carrier's favor.

What does happen in a lot of cases is that the supervisor doesn't even bother to ask rurals--because supervisors are stupid, because they don't know the contract, aren't familiar with the MOUs, or because it's just easier-- and just automatically gives the work to a CCA. If that's the case, rurals should grieve and I think they'll win every time.

 

[Deer Smearer]

There is a lot of lee-way given to management to avoid paying OT (per Article 3), so I could see--in my district at least, but I know other districts might rule otherwise-- a grievance lost when management decides to use a CCA to deliver a rural route if the only other option is to pay a rural carrier OT. Management would have to show that it is cheaper/more efficient to use the CCA. However, if everything else is equal (the carriers are both efficient or both stink, OT will or won't be paid to either), then I think the grievance would be won in the rural carrier's favor.

What does happen in a lot of cases is that the supervisor doesn't even bother to ask rurals--because supervisors are stupid, because they don't know the contract, aren't familiar with the MOUs, or because it's just easier-- and just automatically gives the work to a CCA. If that's the case, rurals should grieve and I think they'll win every time.

It all boils down to “no entitlement or guarantee”

Sure, some have won the grievance and got regulars paid.

My case was withdrawn. And the circumstances were even more egregious than another poster questioned.

In a way, losing was probably better off. Mandating if not volunteering would have been the settlement.

 

[gotstamps]

Because the MOU says we as regulars are not entitled. I do believe a diff craft could skate in before a volunteering regular.
Art 30.2 is for our relief carriers. There isn't a provision except for this MOU for regulars to work. EXCEPT I guess we would be other qualified employees under 13.2.D 6
I am at 53 hours right now working 6 days. I MIGHT volunteer for Sundays when they start. We have one sub and 2 CCA's. The CCA's have already offered to assist our rural side in any way needed. Depending on how it goes we just don't have enough rural bodies to cover all the work load that is heading our way. Am I entitled to a 7th day of work....by the MOU, no, they don't have to use me and could bring in any other qualifying employee.

I guess winning a grievance on other crafts working would be on a case per case basis.

Regs are not entitled to Sunday/Holiday work. We are only entitled to route work before other Craft peeps. If no Regs will volunteer to assist other routes after ALL available subs are working then mgmt CAN have other Craft work it or do it themselves.

 

[Worve]

Regs here heard back from ADR. Being settled with a cease and desist order for city working rural. No penalty nothing but a comment when they came in the regs better volunteer to work relief days. None of them will , and PM won’t force them so it will continue.

 

[gotstamps]

Regs here heard back from ADR. Being settled with a cease and desist order for city working rural. No penalty nothing but a comment when they came in the regs better volunteer to work relief days. None of them will , and PM won’t force them so it will continue.

Sounds like the ADR did what they could with what they had. If a Regular Carrier isn’t willing to work, they cannot complain if mgmt has to utilize Article 30.2.D.6 as they have left mgmt no other choice.

 

[Worve]

Sounds like the ADR did what they could with what they had. If a Regular Carrier isn’t willing to work, they cannot complain if mgmt has to utilize Article 30.2.D.6 as they have left mgmt no other choice.

I agree honestly.

today proved it 2 regs off neither opted to work. 2 sups for one route 2 CCAs for the other. Did aux and helped run some parcels for the 2 routes. 9 hr day was a nice change of pace. I actually feel semi human .